Conservative Politics & Daily Events Discussion

Well looks like I might going on a Turkey hunt! The "Boy kings" reign must end. This little fucker has ruined Canada so that to this day any 16 yr old will not see a balanced budget until he is 56. There's a ton of people that want that brats head on a platter. He is such a 2 faced selfie taken, give Canada to everyone except Canadians LIAR.
I don't think I'de cross the road to piss on his face if his mustache was on fire!!! 2 more years and he's gone.

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Well looks like I might going on a Turkey hunt! The "Boy kings" reign must end. This little fucker has ruined Canada so that to this day any 16 yr old will not see a balanced budget until he is 56. There's a ton of people that want that brats head on a platter. He is such a 2 faced selfie taken, give Canada to everyone except Canadians LIAR.
I don't think I'de cross the road to piss on his face if his mustache was on fire!!! 2 more years and he's gone.

But how do you REALLY feel about him, Bro?!

I tell ya this little shit has got my dander up. The worst part about it is that the majority of his votes came from Eastern Canada, the reason from young women for voting for him there was "He's sooo handsome" Wait ta go there kiddies.............I've always thought that's an excellent reason for voting someone in to run a country. This guy is Chairman Mao, Jon Kim Jong il and Stalin all rolled up into one giant turd! But he'll probably end up like Mussolini.

Hmm the mosque attack is really early on and light on details. I'm going to wait a bit to hear more before making up my mind.

Early reports suggest terrorism (I read it on the internet, it must be true) I wonder how long before he walks back the Please come to Canada, we welcome you with open arms statement.

Obama put up a ban in '09 for 6 months I believe.. but that's fine when a democrat

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Obama put up a ban in '09 for 6 months I believe.. but that's fine when a democrat

Do not forget that Bill Clinton also made a speech about it back when he was president. Fox News just ran it

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Seems so many including some with a R after their name are commenting and critiquing without actually reading the executive order so for the sake of intelligent and informed discussion .....

"ENHANCING PUBLIC SAFETY IN THE INTERIOR OF THE UNITED STATES
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) (8 U.S.C. 1101 et seq.), and in order to ensure the public safety of the American people in communities across the United States as well as to ensure that our Nation's immigration laws are faithfully executed, I hereby declare the policy of the executive branch to be, and order, as follows:
Section 1. Purpose. Interior enforcement of our Nation's immigration laws is critically important to the national security and public safety of the United States. Many aliens who illegally enter the United States and those who overstay or otherwise violate the terms of their visas present a significant threat to national security and public safety. This is particularly so for aliens who engage in criminal conduct in the United States.
Sanctuary jurisdictions across the United States willfully violate Federal law in an attempt to shield aliens from removal from the United States. These jurisdictions have caused immeasurable harm to the American people and to the very fabric of our Republic.
Tens of thousands of removable aliens have been released into communities across the country, solely because their home countries refuse to accept their repatriation. Many of these aliens are criminals who have served time in our Federal, State, and local jails. The presence of such individuals in the United States, and the practices of foreign nations that refuse the repatriation of their nationals, are contrary to the national interest.
Although Federal immigration law provides a framework for Federal-State partnerships in enforcing our immigration laws to ensure the removal of aliens who have no right to be in the United States, the Federal Government has failed to discharge this basic sovereign responsibility. We cannot faithfully execute the immigration laws of the United States if we exempt classes or categories of removable aliens from potential enforcement. The purpose of this order is to direct executive departments and agencies (agencies) to employ all lawful means to enforce the immigration laws of the United States.
Sec. 2. Policy. It is the policy of the executive branch to:
(a) Ensure the faithful execution of the immigration laws of the United States, including the INA, against all removable aliens, consistent with Article II, Section 3 of the United States Constitution and section 3331 of title 5, United States Code;
(b) Make use of all available systems and resources to ensure the efficient and faithful execution of the immigration laws of the United States;
(c) Ensure that jurisdictions that fail to comply with applicable Federal law do not receive Federal funds, except as mandated by law;
(d) Ensure that aliens ordered removed from the United States are promptly removed; and
(e) Support victims, and the families of victims, of crimes committed by removable aliens.
Sec. 3. Definitions. The terms of this order, where applicable, shall have the meaning provided by section 1101 of title 8, United States Code.
Sec. 4. Enforcement of the Immigration Laws in the Interior of the United States. In furtherance of the policy described in section 2 of this order, I hereby direct agencies to employ all lawful means to ensure the faithful execution of the immigration laws of the United States against all removable aliens.
Sec. 5. Enforcement Priorities. In executing faithfully the immigration laws of the United States, the Secretary of Homeland Security (Secretary) shall prioritize for removal those aliens described by the Congress in sections 212(a)(2), (a)(3), and (a)(6)(C), 235, and 237(a)(2) and (4) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1182(a)(2), (a)(3), and (a)(6)(C), 1225, and 1227(a)(2) and (4)), as well as removable aliens who:
(a) Have been convicted of any criminal offense;
(b) Have been charged with any criminal offense, where such charge has not been resolved;
(c) Have committed acts that constitute a chargeable criminal offense;
(d) Have engaged in fraud or willful misrepresentation in connection with any official matter or application before a governmental agency;
(e) Have abused any program related to receipt of public benefits;
(f) Are subject to a final order of removal, but who have not complied with their legal obligation to depart the United States; or
(g) In the judgment of an immigration officer, otherwise pose a risk to public safety or national security.
Sec. 6. Civil Fines and Penalties. As soon as practicable, and by no later than one year after the date of this order, the Secretary shall issue guidance and promulgate regulations, where required by law, to ensure the assessment and collection of all fines and penalties that the Secretary is authorized under the law to assess and collect from aliens unlawfully present in the United States and from those who facilitate their presence in the United States.
Sec. 7. Additional Enforcement and Removal Officers. The Secretary, through the Director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, shall, to the extent permitted by law and subject to the availability of appropriations, take all appropriate action to hire 10,000 additional immigration officers, who shall complete relevant training and be authorized to perform the law enforcement functions described in section 287 of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1357).
Sec. 8. Federal-State Agreements. It is the policy of the executive branch to empower State and local law enforcement agencies across the country to perform the functions of an immigration officer in the interior of the United States to the maximum extent permitted by law.
(a) In furtherance of this policy, the Secretary shall immediately take appropriate action to engage with the Governors of the States, as well as local officials, for the purpose of preparing to enter into agreements under section 287(g) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1357(g)).
(b) To the extent permitted by law and with the consent of State or local officials, as appropriate, the Secretary shall take appropriate action, through agreements under section 287(g) of the INA, or otherwise, to authorize State and local law enforcement officials, as the Secretary determines are qualified and appropriate, to perform the functions of immigration officers in relation to the investigation, apprehension, or detention of aliens in the United States under the direction and the supervision of the Secretary. Such authorization shall be in addition to, rather than in place of, Federal performance of these duties.

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(c) To the extent permitted by law, the Secretary may structure each agreement under section 287(g) of the INA in a manner that provides the most effective model for enforcing Federal immigration laws for that jurisdiction.
Sec. 9. Sanctuary Jurisdictions. It is the policy of the executive branch to ensure, to the fullest extent of the law, that a State, or a political subdivision of a State, shall comply with 8 U.S.C. 1373.
(a) In furtherance of this policy, the Attorney General and the Secretary, in their discretion and to the extent consistent with law, shall ensure that jurisdictions that willfully refuse to comply with 8 U.S.C. 1373 (sanctuary jurisdictions) are not eligible to receive Federal grants, except as deemed necessary for law enforcement purposes by the Attorney General or the Secretary. The Secretary has the authority to designate, in his discretion and to the extent consistent with law, a jurisdiction as a sanctuary jurisdiction. The Attorney General shall take appropriate enforcement action against any entity that violates 8 U.S.C. 1373, or which has in effect a statute, policy, or practice that prevents or hinders the enforcement of Federal law.
(b) To better inform the public regarding the public safety threats associated with sanctuary jurisdictions, the Secretary shall utilize the Declined Detainer Outcome Report or its equivalent and, on a weekly basis, make public a comprehensive list of criminal actions committed by aliens and any jurisdiction that ignored or otherwise failed to honor any detainers with respect to such aliens.
(c) The Director of the Office of Management and Budget is directed to obtain and provide relevant and responsive information on all Federal grant money that currently is received by any sanctuary jurisdiction
Sec. 10. Review of Previous Immigration Actions and Policies. (a) The Secretary shall immediately take all appropriate action to terminate the Priority Enforcement Program (PEP) described in the memorandum issued by the Secretary on November 20, 2014, and to reinstitute the immigration program known as "Secure Communities" referenced in that memorandum.
(b) The Secretary shall review agency regulations, policies, and procedures for consistency with this order and, if required, publish for notice and comment proposed regulations rescinding or revising any regulations inconsistent with this order and shall consider whether to withdraw or modify any inconsistent policies and procedures, as appropriate and consistent with the law.
(c) To protect our communities and better facilitate the identification, detention, and removal of criminal aliens within constitutional and statutory parameters, the Secretary shall consolidate and revise any applicable forms to more effectively communicate with recipient law enforcement agencies.
Sec. 11. Department of Justice Prosecutions of Immigration Violators. The Attorney General and the Secretary shall work together to develop and implement a program that ensures that adequate resources are devoted to the prosecution of criminal immigration offenses in the United States, and to develop cooperative strategies to reduce violent crime and the reach of transnational criminal organizations into the United States.
Sec. 12. Recalcitrant Countries. The Secretary of Homeland Security and the Secretary of State shall cooperate to effectively implement the sanctions provided by section 243(d) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1253(d)), as appropriate. The Secretary of State shall, to the maximum extent permitted by law, ensure that diplomatic efforts and negotiations with foreign states include as a condition precedent the acceptance by those foreign states of their nationals who are subject to removal from the United States.
Sec. 13. Office for Victims of Crimes Committed by Removable Aliens. The Secretary shall direct the Director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to take all appropriate and lawful action to establish within U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement an office to provide proactive, timely, adequate, and professional services to victims of crimes committed by removable aliens and the family members of such victims. This office shall provide quarterly reports studying the effects of the victimization by criminal aliens present in the United States.
Sec. 14. Privacy Act. Agencies shall, to the extent consistent with applicable law, ensure that their privacy policies exclude persons who are not United States citizens or lawful permanent residents from the protections of the Privacy Act regarding personally identifiable information.
Sec. 15. Reporting. Except as otherwise provided in this order, the Secretary and the Attorney General shall each submit to the President a report on the progress of the directives contained in this order within 90 days of the date of this order and again within 180 days of the date of this order.
Sec. 16. Transparency. To promote the transparency and situational awareness of criminal aliens in the United States, the Secretary and the Attorney General are hereby directed to collect relevant data and provide quarterly reports on the following:
(a) the immigration status of all aliens incarcerated under the supervision of the Federal Bureau of Prisons;
(b) the immigration status of all aliens incarcerated as Federal pretrial detainees under the supervision of the United States Marshals Service; and
(c) the immigration status of all convicted aliens incarcerated in State prisons and local detention centers throughout the United States.
Sec. 17. Personnel Actions. The Office of Personnel Management shall take appropriate and lawful action to facilitate hiring personnel to implement this order.
Sec. 18. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:
(i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or
(ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.
(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
DONALD J. TRUMP"

I need to read the "Muslim Ban" order. Read stuff on both sides, have my own opinion, and want to see what what actually written.

Thank @Orangeman for putting this post up

Okay, finally read the Executive Order. Don't see what all the hubbub is about. Yeah, we are stopping refugees from Syria for an unspecified amount of time, stopping all refugees for 120 days, and stopping all visa applications/etc from 7 countries for a period of 90 days until proper vetting techniques can be developed and implemented.

1. He's targeting Muslim countries - Yes, but he targeted 7 out of 48 predominately Muslim nations. That comprises less than 20% of the total Muslim community. All 7 have issues with terrorism. Out of the World Atlas top 10 worst places to live, only 1 country was from the banned list (Syria), which leaves us 9 worse places to import refugees. Maybe we can also improve our refugee diversity by helping people fleeing genocide in Africa, or the underreported wars in southeast Asia.

2. It's not fair - the implementation sucked. Yes, I will say that it flat out sucked. It is not fair that people in the air when the order was approved were stuck on the ground and detained upon arrival. Otherwise, I believe that looking after the safety of the US population, to include visa approval processes and tracking capabilities (insofar that people who overstay their visas are removed from the country) is absolutely fair. And there was NOTHING in the actual order that said anything about permanent residents, so I don't get where all that angst was coming from other than DHS screwing up implementation.

3. No refugees have committed atrocities on US soil - true, and I grant that the vast majority of attacks are caused by home-grown terrorist wannabes. I would, however, argue that strengthening the vetting process is a great idea no matter the reason behind it.

4. No Christian can refuse to help refugees (followed by Bible quote) - I will accept this response if a. You also quoted the Bible when calling for a stop to abortions, and b. You quoted the Bible as a response to the legality of homosexual marriage. If you choose to call out Christians for not being Christians, check yourself first. **Caveat, I do not believe that all Christians are against homosexual marriage or abortion, but if you are using the Bible as your defense, and the Bible specifically states that both murder (abortion) and homosexuality are bad, then you have very little footing to stand on. There are plenty of other sources that say what you are looking for without making yourself look like a hypocrite.

@sideseatdriver I agree there is a hypocrisy at play for those that quote the bible on almost any topic. Many bring it up to point out the hypocricy of those on the wrong side of the Bible on any given topic.

For general purposes: Not all members of either party are bound to or necessarily portrayed properly by the following.

The Left support choice and can be called out with Bible verses against spilling your seed and murder, by the Right.

The Right tries to undermine the EPA allowing pollution and denounces "man made climate change", and can be called out with Bible verses stating we are the guardians of the planet, by the "tree hugging" Left.

The Left rallies behind Homosexuality and can be called out with Bible verses that are against homosexuality.

The Right fights PETA and other animal rights groups and can be called out with Bible verses that state we are protectors of animals on land, sea and air.

The Right tries to cut funding to programs that help the poor, sick... and can be called out with verses from the Bible that say to help the poor, meek...

Both parties (very generalized) say they hate the other party and what they stand for and you guessed it, they can be called out with Bible verses against hate.

And on and on, pick a topic, pick a side and you most likely have become a hypocrite of sorts if you quote the Bible or profess to follow it's teachings.

I understand we are a nation founded in Christian beliefs. We have "In God We Trust" on our money and swear people into office, service and court with their hand on a Bible.

We also have Founding Laws that call for the separation of Church and State and Freedom of Religion(or lack there of). I think with those sound laws in place, no laws based on religious beliefs can or should be instituted. $0.02

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Not to get off on a religious rant here as I am for sure an epic sinner, but, is not the basis of a civil society come from the Ten Commandments in the BIBLE.....just sayin

And look at the great civilizations of the past that have failed. It "generaly" didn't fail because they were holding close the the beliefs written in the bible.
I am no way someone who is religious according to scripture, but I have my beliefs.
Evil as written in the bible has historically led to failure.