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Quote from WOLF

Based on the testimony heard already, it depends if they can get Rudy and Bolton on the stand. Then it may accomplish a bi-partisan impeachment. Outside of that, you are right. The Senate will shut it down without as much as a witness and it will look like a failed coup by the Dems.

"it will look like a failed coup by the Dems."

I actually have been thinking this way for some time now. Dem's sifting through a hay stack looking for something - anything. All the time Uncle Joe is on tape doing it. Hypocrisy on parade. Fortunately many see it for what it is.

WOLF from your perspective ... why? Is it as simple as socialists/ communist opposed to capitalism? Take DT out of the equation and look at No wars, amazing economy, lowest unemployment in our history, and the list goes on. Who among us is unhappy with this? Or is the distain for DT so pervasive it clouds all reason? If the above were to be delivered by Obama the statues would all ready be in the works.

Seems we have a choice now of an all imposing all powerful government vs individual freedoms and capitalism. Both sides want power I get it but is it this simple? One camp wants us to be batteries for the machine and the other wants individual freedom ( or I would like to think.)

Not sure your age but it is not a stretch to say that the Democrat party of JFK is NOT the party of today. Or is it?

And the vail has been pulled back on the truth of what all Democrats have wanted all along? Help me with this one.

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Soooo it's a good thing Bloomberg has a LOT of money .....

'Cause I was just watching him launch his platform for "gun control", you know the thing he says is his "life's work" and "most passionate about" ..... while I know a bit about him this is really the first time I paid attention to him speaking ....... all I can say is .....

Talk about a monotone, droning, downright boring 10 minutes of my life I desperately want back ....

Beyond his proposals .... raising the national age to buy to 21 because 18 year olds are not "responsible enough" ..... well what about the age to join Military being 18, to drive a car 16 (15 for a permit some places), and the lefts push to lower the voting age to 16 ....... requiring a permit before purchase approval, requiring manufacturers to implement more "safety" features, making it harder to get a permit to be a seller, and on and on ..... but don't dare mention the drop in gun crime in NY he quoted was actually due to stop and frisk not more gun laws, and on and on ....... he had the personality of a tuna sandwich ....

Has he always been this way ?

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Would be funny if the Senate simply dismisses the impeachment when the house is done. They are legally allowed to do so and it would waste much less time than having a trial that everyone already knows will keep Trump in office

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Quote from Bill Martin

I think the Reps would love to have a trial. They would be in the driver seat plus tie up Senators running for President. Maybe subpoena Schiff, Biden, Jr, and more that don’t want to be questioned by Doug Collins & Jim Jordan. Now that would be entertaining!!

yes it would be fun and I suspect many on the right would love to see it, but personally I would like the government to get it over with so that they might actually do their jobs - - - - yea, I know, dream on

and Ken agrees that it could happen and it could be because of Pelosi

Quote from WOLF

Republicans have done the same thing with Hillary, who never was President. Were Republicans were rejoicing those investigations? They call her guilty of Murder, child trafficking, negligent homicide(Bengazi), pay for play, illegal mishandling of classified material, obstruction of justice, illegal campaign financing, corrupt charity contributions. All these things have been investigated, some exhaustively.

Her charity is to my knowledge still under investigation by the FBI. Trey Gowdy concluded a one year investigation into her with no hard, damning evidence. He only stated, "We found some interesting things that should be looked into further". I say, "Look into those "Interesting things". If there is a there, there, find it and prosecute her".

Many Republicans, regardless that not enough evidence was found in those investigations to convict her, insist she is guilty of every crime and then preach about "innocent until proven guilty".

For the record, I never once cried foul during any of the investigations into her. Yes, I said some were silly, but said if the Republicans feel it's warranted and it makes them feel better, it's no skin off my back. I'm not the one going to prison if they find something and I don't care enough about any politician to care if they are investigated, found guilty, prosecuted and imprisoned. I just don't. Many care way too much about their party, to really care about justice. They can pretend to care, they can even call out the same wrong doing by the other team, but when it comes to their team, "It's different", It's not.

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Ambassador Stevens contacted secretary Clinton on multiple occasions concerning the lack of security at Benghazi, denied multiple occasions. As events unfolded and violence escalated out of control hours lapsed and nothing was done. Nothing! Unacceptable! What would it have taken to pick up the phone and contact Sigonella AFB and request a few Fighter jets on standby to do a fly over as a show of force? 13 hours!

Then come out and say it was because of an offensive video? 13 hours, nothing done. To back this up as acceptable is totally beyond my comprehension?

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Ambassador Stevens contacted secretary Clinton on multiple occasions concerning the lack of security at Benghazi, denied multiple occasions. As events unfolded and violence escalated out of control hours lapsed and nothing was done. Nothing! Unacceptable! What would it have taken to pick up the phone and contact Sigonella AFB and request a few Fighter jets on standby to do a fly over as a show of force? 13 hours!

Then come out and say it was because of an offensive video? 13 hours, nothing done. To back this up as acceptable is totally beyond my comprehension?

I never backed it up as acceptable. I simply stated it was investigated exhaustively. The Republicans that hate her so much and call her guilty of every death during Bengazi could not legally pin it on her. I don't know that chain of command, I don't know who is responsible for what. As an outsider, I have to take my truth from how these investigations are settled, not from what a bunch of pundits and partisan haters proclaim.

Quote from Bill Martin

MY MY MY !!! I was unaware you were clairvoyant What makes you think Giuliani and Bolton won’t further exonerate Trump ??? Besides anything between Trump and Guluani is privileged anyway. If Bolton is negative he will be framed as a disgruntled X employee. Failed coup perception to public - YES - Rep House, Senate, and President in 2020 !! Now look who’s clairvoyant

Guiliani, if he tells the truth will hang Trump. Based on half of the witnesses, Trump told them to "talk to Rudy". Trump on the famous call told President Zelinski to "talk to Rudy". Sondland testified Rudy told him to tell the Ukranians to withhold aid and a White House visit in exchange for Zelinski publicly announcing an investigation, not conducting it, announcing it.

According to serval witnesses, Rudy was talking directly to the Ukrainians through a back channel. Those testimonies are confirmed in the famous call, when Zelinsky said he has spoken with Rudy once before.

As for Bolton, he was still an employee when witnesses heard him call Rudy Giuliani "a hand grenade" and the Trump/Rudy impeachable offense "a drug deal" to stay away from. I personally would like to hear from him, what he heard, seen, was told and why he felt as he did.

Not really clairvoyant Bill.

P.S. Rudy/ Trump are privileged like Cohen/Trump.

Quote from Bill Martin

Another tidbit in a little different vein but relevant to our conversation. Obama was a community organizer - becomes President for 8 years then three years later can plunk down $11.75 million for a MFing house in Martha’s Vineyard ??Oh well - he didn’t build that

FOX explains the a big portion of the money for you. Seems legit and also par for the course for all high ranking politicians, especially once they leave public service.

https://www.foxnews.com/politi…-vineyard-home-report.amp

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Guillinani is no fool - he was a US Attorney, Assistant to the Attorney General and Mayor of NYC. I can assure you, IMO, if he did cross a line John Bolton will have no knowledge of it other than another “opinion”.

"Rudy told me to do it" is an opinion? Why, because there is no audio tape of the conversation?

If you only ever told me you like Whiskey in person at Maggie Valley. Then I tell people "Bill likes whiskey", that is MY "opinion"?

Quote from Bill Martin

Exactly my point - it is called “public service” . Most Presidents were extremely wealthy prior to their service. Obama has an estimated $40 million net worth - all being derived from being President. Was not aware being President was akin to hitting the Powerball until Obama cane along.

Every politician, especially Presidents, Vice Presidents, Secretary of State have written books and given speeches for stupid money. I think if you look on the dark side we covered it. I believe at the time you were pointing out how it looks very shady that Bill Clinton was getting $350k for a 2 hour speeches. I also believe I mentioned the Bush's getting the same lucrative book deals and speaking fees.

So, yes, you were aware that it was akin to hitting the Powerball before Obama came along.

Quote from Bill Martin

Exactly my point - it is called “public service” . Most Presidents were extremely wealthy prior to their service. Obama has an estimated $40 million net worth - all being derived from being President. Was not aware being President was akin to hitting the Powerball until Obama cane along.

The reality in our world is that seldom if ever do you or I leave a position and people come out of the woodwork to give you many hundreds of times your annual salary after you leave. The real question, and yes this is cynical and rhetorical; who got what when?And if this doesn’t look like payback for something what does ? And what favors we’re done in exchange because we all know this never happens in our world but it does on our dime.

Quote from WOLF

Guiliani, if he tells the truth will hang Trump. Based on half of the witnesses, Trump told them to "talk to Rudy". Trump on the famous call told President Zelinski to "talk to Rudy". Sondland testified Rudy told him to tell the Ukranians to withhold aid and a White House visit in exchange for Zelinski publicly announcing an investigation, not conducting it, announcing it.

According to serval witnesses, Rudy was talking directly to the Ukrainians through a back channel. Those testimonies are confirmed in the famous call, when Zelinsky said he has spoken with Rudy once before.

As for Bolton, he was still an employee when witnesses heard him call Rudy Giuliani "a hand grenade" and the Trump/Rudy impeachable offense "a drug deal" to stay away from. I personally would like to hear from him, what he heard, seen, was told and why he felt as he did.

Not really clairvoyant Bill.

P.S. Rudy/ Trump are privileged like Cohen/Trump.

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Giuliani isn't going to sink him voluntarily and will have attorney client privilege if they try to force him. Bolton is the only hope for the dems.

Pelosi has already asked that articles of impeachment be drafted - I suspect this means the Democrats are done calling witnesses so unless the Republicans in the Senate think it will help Trump I don't think we are going to hear from Mr. Bolton

I’m sorry but this is to good to pass up! First off - WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?
Man! They should have to wear some kind of sign so we all can take wide circle’s!

Emma Thompson foresees people eating pets for 'protein' due to 'climate crisis'

"Better wrap up warm, stockpile food and remember there is a surprising amount of protein in the average household pet.” ( Actress Emma Thompson )

Also included in the British film star's grave warning was the possibility of flood warnings "almost everywhere," the Evening Standard reported.

"Expect crop failures, water contamination, damaged houses and ruined lives, and we will see these persistent weather fronts continue to wreak havoc across the nation, albeit with one or two days of dry and settled weather," she continued.

Now here is my take…

"Better wrap up warm, (I thought it was "Global Warming" not cooling..Pick a team!)stockpile food and remember there is a surprising amount of protein in the average household pet.” ( Actress Emma Thompson ) Can you say VENEZUELA!

Also included in the British film star's grave warning was the possibility of flood warnings "almost everywhere," the Evening Standard reported. SOOO if it will be “ almost everywhere” PLEASE let me know where the spots are where it won’t be happening - gotta move now!

"Expect crop failures, water contamination, damaged houses and ruined lives, (Democrat and socialist controlled cities everywhere) and we will see these persistent weather fronts continue to wreak havoc across the nation, albeit with one or two days of dry and settled weather," (say with english pompous accent) she continued. "Albeit a few days of dry and settled weather" Frickin incredible LMAO!! - she does live in the UK - right?? Amazing! She’s a weatherbabe too! This “actor” is incredible! Lets all get on the "Andrew Yang" train and head to higher ground!