growing government is always one of the goals of socialism - the more people you get dependent on government the more control you have and no one is more dependent on government than a government employee
Conservative Politics & Daily Events Discussion
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growing government is always one of the goals of socialism - the more people you get dependent on government the more control you have and no one is more dependent on government than a government employee
Yup someone gets it. The end goal of this administration is simply MORE government overreach which in turn is basically more control on everyone. I have a tiny bit of hope for 2024 and I really hope I am wrong on my election theories, for the sake of this country and everything it stands for.
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Maybe, it’s the crimes that comes to light, almost daily, that this creature has committed. Or maybe it’s him taking money from the 911 backers, the Saudis. The list could go on. But mostly, slamming him seems to get under the skin of you disciples. 😉
Are you talking about the golf thing again? You had no problems with Hillary taking money from the Saudi's.
"list" goes on? What list? what crimes? Do you know? If you did you would list them.
How Hillary handled classified info would get YOU arrested.
If you smoked crack like Hunter YOU would get arrested.
If you procured prostitutes YOU would get arrested.
If you profited off the knowledge of a family member in congress YOU would be arrested (unless you were a prominent democrat like Pelosi.
Your hypocrisy is impressive. Damn impressive.
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Display MoreApparently reading wasn't you major either... No where did I say Agents, I said employees.... Please respond with only relevant answers and do not put words into replies that were never there.
Here is the Govt. take on that... believe what one wants to.... again it goes to your brainwashed statement.. Just a question, hiring 87000 per the government treasury dept report would not be new positions... Is it a "hire" if it is not new or just a transfer.... typical govt double talk.
So using your convoluted explanation of what will happen... 80 billion divided by 10 is 8 billion a year... The 76000 IRS average is just that an Average (as you stated so profoundly business accounting must not be your major). So as in the past, the "Inflation Reduction Act" which has really nothing to do with reducing inflation is just another nicely worded govt spending program.
The Inflation Reduction Act, a landmark climate, health care and tax package that passed the Senate on Sunday and is expected to head to Biden’s desk after the House approves it on Friday, includes roughly $78 billion for the IRS to be phased in over 10 years. A Treasury Department report from May 2021 estimated that such an investment would enable the agency to hire roughly 87,000 employees by 2031. But most of those hires would not be Internal Revenue agents, and wouldn’t be new positions.
Maybe you should check out really what the IRA (Inflation Reduction Act) is really about... and please don't give the usual lefty TLDR....
To claim the Inflation Reduction Act will, on its own, transform the economy would be foolish. The Congressional Budget Office estimatesthat the proposal will change the inflation rate by less than one tenth of a percent over the next two years, and that’s in either direction. Even economists more sanguine about the bill’s effects believe its impact will mostly be felt further into the future. Similarly, the reduction to the deficit, whether the $300 billion over the next decade its drafters promise or the just over $102 billion the CBO expects, adds up to little in the grand scheme of trillions in national debt.
The macroeconomics of the bill, in the end, are less interesting than its policy particulars: in prescription drug pricing, health care, climate and taxes. In all of these areas, the Inflation Reduction Act makes impressive improvements on the old status quo. And in all of them, the new status quo still isn’t satisfactory.
The most important parts of the pharmaceutical reform, such as allowing Medicare to directly negotiate the prices of certain medicines and placing a $2,000 per year cap on out-of-pocket costs for prescription drugs, won’t kick in for years. That leaves reason to worry that a more conservative Congress might snatch back this crucial change. On health care, the extension of pandemic-era subsidies to help people afford Affordable Care Act plans merits celebration — but the failure to close the Medicaid coverage gap means the most vulnerable will get the least help.
Climate involves a similar story. The legislation will purportedly contribute to lowering the United States’s greenhouse gas emissions by about 40 percent below their 2005 peak within 10 years. But whether the bill can really prompt so dramatic a change depends on how fast consumers really switch to clean-energy options, as well whether regulatory, logistical and political obstacles get in projects’ way. An agreement to boost oil and gas leasing that sweetened the pot for swing-voting Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) also sours the outlook for the transition away from fossil fuels.
Then there are the proposal’s tax revisions, which moved further from ideal in the last days of negotiations — this time, largely to please potential holdout Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.). Rules to narrow the carried-interest loophole, which enriches hedge-fund managers by taxing their income from investment profits at a too-low rate, are no more. The 15 percent corporate minimum was chipped away at last week, and then again this weekend, most recently to resolve purported concerns from small businesses that experts believe were ill-founded.
So, once again, no, the staffing will not increase by 87,000, agents or otherwise.
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Display MoreAre you talking about the golf thing again? You had no problems with Hillary taking money from the Saudi's.
"list" goes on? What list? what crimes? Do you know? If you did you would list them.
How Hillary handled classified info would get YOU arrested.
If you smoked crack like Hunter YOU would get arrested.
If you procured prostitutes YOU would get arrested.
If you profited off the knowledge of a family member in congress YOU would be arrested (unless you were a prominent democrat like Pelosi.
Your hypocrisy is impressive. Damn impressive.
What crimes? Well, tax fraud, inciting a riot at the Capitol building, attempting to coerce election officials to alter the outcome of an election, stealing government documents, defrauding his donors with a fake organization, etc. etc. etc. This is too easy!🤣
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1558104270133772291
This is what is coming next and not many are paying attention.
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So, once again, no, the staffing will not increase by 87,000, agents or otherwise.
As stated, reading must not be your major.
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...blue state Anakin.
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Just released. The signed affidavit used to obtain the search warranty for Trump's Mara Largo property says the FBI had high confidence that Trump has been storing evidence of where the body of Jimmy Hoffa could be found.
Goes to show you how much dirt the libtards will go to try to stop Trump from running and WINNING in 2024
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As stated, reading must not be your major.
Just show us where in the bill it says there will be 87,000 employees added to the IRS. How about a statement from the IRS that they will be increasing there workforce by 87,000. That is all I’m asking. That should be simple enough. If you can’t find such information then you must have been mistaken about such an increase in personnel at the IRS.
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Something to consider with the left and Trump. If they successfully get Trump knocked out of the 2024 presidential race who does it help? I think their hate for Trump has blinded them. If he's knocked out the other Republican candidates won't need to fight him in the primary. Less damage to the GOP and the Trump machine can help someone else without abandoning him.
Thoughts?
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Something to consider with the left and Trump. If they successfully get Trump knocked out of the 2024 presidential race who does it help? I think their hate for Trump has blinded them. If he's knocked out the other Republican candidates won't need to fight him in the primary. Less damage to the GOP and the Trump machine can help someone else without abandoning him.
Thoughts?
There are plenty of nut jobs there to fill that slot. Remember, tRump wasn’t the cause of the sorry state of the new GOP, he is a result.
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Just show us where in the bill it says there will be 87,000 employees added to the IRS. How about a statement from the IRS that they will be increasing there workforce by 87,000. That is all I’m asking. That should be simple enough. If you can’t find such information then you must have been mistaken about such an increase in personnel at the IRS.
Like I said about reading...
The bill only supplies the money, it does not say what will be done with the money.... My exact quote was.. "Just a question, hiring 87000 per the government treasury dept report would not be new positions... Is it a "hire" if it is not new or just a transfer.... typical govt double talk."
With a reference to: The Inflation Reduction Act, a landmark climate, health care and tax package that passed the Senate on Sunday and is expected to head to Biden’s desk after the House approves it on Friday, includes roughly $78 billion for the IRS to be phased in over 10 years. A Treasury Department report from May 2021 estimated that such an investment would enable the agency to hire roughly 87,000 employees by 2031. But most of those hires would not be Internal Revenue agents, and wouldn’t be new positions.
Again, believe what one wants to believe... If the 80 billion isn't for people, will you please tell us what it is for. You mentioned retiring, employees moving on (which should all be covered under the current IRS budget) travel, office, IT, again covered under the current budget. What will the 80 billion be used for since everything you mentioned aside from the Treasury report regarding hires is already covered in the budget....
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Like I said about reading...
The bill only supplies the money, it does not say what will be done with the money.... My exact quote was.. "Just a question, hiring 87000 per the government treasury dept report would not be new positions... Is it a "hire" if it is not new or just a transfer.... typical govt double talk."
With a reference to: The Inflation Reduction Act, a landmark climate, health care and tax package that passed the Senate on Sunday and is expected to head to Biden’s desk after the House approves it on Friday, includes roughly $78 billion for the IRS to be phased in over 10 years. A Treasury Department report from May 2021 estimated that such an investment would enable the agency to hire roughly 87,000 employees by 2031. But most of those hires would not be Internal Revenue agents, and wouldn’t be new positions.
Again, believe what one wants to believe... If the 80 billion isn't for people, will you please tell us what it is for. You mentioned retiring, employees moving on (which should all be covered under the current IRS budget) travel, office, IT, again covered under the current budget. What will the 80 billion be used for since everything you mentioned aside from the Treasury report regarding hires is already covered in the budget....
Below is where you say there will be 87,000 new employees.
Display MoreSince you are a master at business accounting...
Your Govt says the average wage of a IRS employee is 76233 per year... Ok even before liberal math that works out to just over 66 billion dollars for 87000 new employees for 10 years... Now knowing the Govt like businesses provide healthcare and the average amount spent on health care per employee is For state and government workers, the average cost for employers paying employee benefits equals $19.82 per hour in addition to their salary or about 38400 per employee (I rounded that figure to 20.00)... which for over a 10 year period for 87000 new employees equals about 33.4 billion.... so just for wages we are over 99 billion.... out of an 80 billion budget...
Not sure if even modern democratic numbers can fix this... but present it to the simple minded as a savings and they will fall for the Govt take every time.
For reference on the benefits info... https://www.zenefits.com/worke…ployee-benefits-packages/
For reference on wages: https://www.payscale.com/resea…enue_Service_(IRS)/Salary
Would you say the number is wrong then?
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Like I said about reading...
The bill only supplies the money, it does not say what will be done with the money.... My exact quote was.. "Just a question, hiring 87000 per the government treasury dept report would not be new positions... Is it a "hire" if it is not new or just a transfer.... typical govt double talk."
With a reference to: The Inflation Reduction Act, a landmark climate, health care and tax package that passed the Senate on Sunday and is expected to head to Biden’s desk after the House approves it on Friday, includes roughly $78 billion for the IRS to be phased in over 10 years. A Treasury Department report from May 2021 estimated that such an investment would enable the agency to hire roughly 87,000 employees by 2031. But most of those hires would not be Internal Revenue agents, and wouldn’t be new positions.
Again, believe what one wants to believe... If the 80 billion isn't for people, will you please tell us what it is for. You mentioned retiring, employees moving on (which should all be covered under the current IRS budget) travel, office, IT, again covered under the current budget. What will the 80 billion be used for since everything you mentioned aside from the Treasury report regarding hires is already covered in the budget....
There will be personnel added to the current staff. The staffing level will be brought up to the level it was at before their budget was cut, probably higher since there are more employees due to population growth. This will mean more expenditures to support that staffing increase. Is it really that hard to figure out?
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Below is where you say there will be 87,000 new employees.
Would you say the number is wrong then?
That was actually pointing out your flawed math regarding hires... No where does it say they will hire, only numbers regarding costs if they are hired.
I understand things are complicated.. but read it again..without your bias... I never say they will hire only the costs related to such a hire.
Knowing the govt. I can say with certainty that the Treasury Dept didn't come up with a report regarding how much money it would take to hire the many people without some reason for doing so. Their report does not say with that much money we could by computers, new vehicles, and stuff...
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Something to consider with the left and Trump. If they successfully get Trump knocked out of the 2024 presidential race who does it help? I think their hate for Trump has blinded them. If he's knocked out the other Republican candidates won't need to fight him in the primary. Less damage to the GOP and the Trump machine can help someone else without abandoning him.
Thoughts?
I think you are probably correct - much better chance to get the needed independent vote if the republican candidate is not Donald Trump
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There will be personnel added to the current staff. The staffing level will be brought up to the level it was at before their budget was cut, probably higher since there are more employees due to population growth. This will mean more expenditures to support that staffing increase. Is it really that hard to figure out?
You must really love your govt and the constant bs they provide you... Here is the budget (yes it was reduced by 26%) but still no where near what you are talking about... And no, it is not hard to figure out.
Data must no be your friend.
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Attorner general of Missouri calling it how it is and defending the 2nd amendment against these rats. Enough is enough.
