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I believe you are right - if Trump runs again all we have seen up to now would have been smooth sailing. The public will man their battle stations - right and left for an epic battle not seen in the US since the Civil War - hopefully not violent. I still believe their is a silent, powerful voice that could stop Trump from running. Melania has indicated quietly that she has ZERO interest in becoming First Lady again. No matter how powerful you are you can never forget tte age old sayin - If momma ain’t happy NOBODY is happy Let Trump be a Kingmaker not tge King!!

Exactly!

I'm ready to vote GOP... And I know many others that are too (that approval rating is NOT fake news) 😂

Problem is... I saw where Trump stated he DID NOT want (or expect) DeSantis to run... Because it'd be against him)... He's going to divide the party and the dems will be call on the dead to vote in droves...

But I guess that's okay because BD, orangesling and others on the ledge are ready to jump... 😆

If only the MSM would take a center line and report everything with out bias I thing maybe a center of the line could be reached again. Right now it feels like the MSM is trying to run the country.

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If only the MSM would take a center line and report everything with out bias I thing maybe a center of the line could be reached again. Right now it feels like the MSM is trying to run the country.

do you think Fox News takes a true center line?

Fox News online is one of my primary news source because I think they are better than MSN or CNN but that being said I do think Fox slants a good deal right - - - and fox is by far the number one news network

I really believe that all "News" networks need to stop taking any side politically and just report the facts, and I dont think its reasonable to ask the left leaning sources to move to the center without expecting fox and others that slant right to do the same

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I don’t see how succession in any way would ever work. I don’t see where a third party would ever work (not enough $$$). Violence is already at a level just by criminals that the thought of a civil war between right vs left - socialism vs capitalism is an totally abhorrent. We have already seen that Biden cannot unify the country any better than Trump did - maybe even doing a worse job. It is my heartfelt hope that SOMEBODY between now and 2024 emerges as a centrist from either party that has the ability to bring down the political temperature nationwide. Law and order has to be restored - socialist ideology needs to be considered on the fringe like it mostly always has. I’m not sure that individual exists. If not, we could see our streets running with blood if not in 2022 - 2024 for sure. Bad as I thought Obama was that time looked pretty good in retrospect - at least politics was just boring for most folks - not wanting to rip out peoples throats you don’t agree with like it is now. We can only hope cooler heads prevail in the coming months & years !!

and this is where I think the problem - you say "a centrist from either party" and I don't think that will ever work because as soon as any centrist accepts the political stamp, the R or D, of either party they automatically are labeled the enemy by a good 30% of voters or more on the side that claims to belong to the other party

the mere fact that a politician carries that party banner immediately destroys any ability they might have to bring people together

As I said above the 2 party system that has taken total control of our political system is by its very nature divisive - - just the fact that there are only 2 acceptable choices that the system allows creates an us against them mentality that undermines everything

It really bothers me when I hear good people like you and others out of hand dismiss a third party, or even better a no party candidate as not having a chance to work because as long as people have that attitude / belief those people will continue to vote and support the very system that I believe is destroying this country - - - - before we can have a chance at breaking the two party system and hopefully get rid of parties all together we have to stop blindly voting for the choices the 2 parties give us because we think we would otherwise throwing our votes away

Its takes a very long time, but at this point in my life I would rather not vote at all than vote for the person the R's or D's tell me are my choices - - I truly dont think they even are choices, As soon as a potential candidate agrees to run as a R or a D and their running has been blessed as it were by the party that tells me they have sold out to the party and agreed to work within the parties system - - and that means they dont care about me

Seriously the one thing I did love about Trump was that he didn't sell out to the party - and that is probably why he is no longer the president - - - Think about it, if Trump lost because of voter fraud the only way it would have been possible and could have been covered up would be if the Republican Party insiders were involved - and considering how often he pissed off many of the party loyalists I honestly have to think that it was very possible that the D;'s & R's conspired together to get Trump, 'the outsider" out of office so they could get someone who would tow the two party line to replace

I am done with the national 2 party system - - the 2 parties, in my opinion, are a fraud, they want us to think we are choosing the national leaders when in fact the only choice we really get is to pick between the 2 people that they have agreed to let us pick between - - - - - that isn't a choice, it just the illusion choice being used as a way to placate the voting public

Its time to stop letting the R's & the D's tell us who we get to vote for and until we stand up and say "No, I will not vote for your puppet" we will continue to be owned by political elite class we have allowed to take over this country

if anyone really thinks voting for someone outside the two parties is throwing away a vote I believe that person has already thrown away their vote - picking between the people they already picked isn't a true vote and it certainly isn't a meaningful use of your right to vote - - JMO

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do you think Fox News takes a true center line?

Fox News online is one of my primary news source because I think they are better than MSN or CNN but that being said I do think Fox slants a good deal right - - - and fox is by far the number one news network

I really believe that all "News" networks need to stop taking any side politically and just report the facts, and I dont think its reasonable to ask the left leaning sources to move to the center without expecting fox and others that slant right to do the same

When exactly did Fox take a neutral stance on politics because as far as I know Fox has always identified as RIGHT leaning, this is not new. On thw other hand so called neutral MSM like MSNBC, CNN and the other 90% play the neutral face when in reality they are simply LEFT leaning 98% of the time. You call people wanting to defend the traditional American way of life "Hardliners" then so be it. I have absolutely no problems with other ideologies or different thoughts after all that is what freedom of speech in general is all about. However, we are way past that point when you have the government forcing into peoples lives and liberties and big tech basically silencing people (mostly republicans). Oh and there were Centrists running in this election that I really liked (Tulsi Gabbard was one of them) and the MSM took complete charge in ruining her whole campaign hence interfering in the Democrat election process. The whole plan from the beginning was to elect possibly the most useless candidate they had (Biden) from the very beginning. I am not a hardcore republican by any means I would also like a more centrist candidate that RESPECTS our liberties and our country but that also has enough balls to tell it how it is, unfortunately it took a guy like Trump to come and open a can of worms but also open many peoples eyes towards the Media and how much involvement they have in your day to day thinking. There are people here that disliked Trump as a person but I have yet to encounter someone with enough argument on his actual policies which is what most of us cared about. At the end of the day stop thinking of the president like you are going to have a drink with him on Sunday and more on actual policies. I could give two flying shits if they pay their taxes or fuck 20 women on the side, thats his business, they are all crooks at the end of the day. I'd rather have a crook that at least puts more money in my pocket and respects my liberties, our military and what this country stands for, period. Both parties are shit and corrupt thats just the nature of it, it has always been that way and it will never change.

Quote from Bill Martin

Don’t get me wrong - I would love to see the 2 party system dismantled and I would gladly support a libertarian if I thought they had a chance in hell of winning. I also would like to ride a unicorn spreading fairy dust promoting peace and love but that ain’t happening either. I understand where you are coming from but the Rep & Dem parties are so entrenched that that system will never end IMO. If all the voters would get behind dismantling them would be the only way and that ain’t happening - the voters can’t even agree that law enforcement is a good thing! I just cannot throw my vote away on a candidate I know cannot win. Too many have fought and died for that privilege to be taken lightly. JMO !!

okay a few questions:

Is winning more important than values?

and

Is it really winning when they pick who you get to vote for?

To me if I vote for the R or D they tell are my only choices if I want to win - - that is not winning. Thats a rigged event where the outcome is an outcome they have predetermined to be acceptable.

I know you are a lawyer, and in that profession "winning" is very important, But would you feel good about winning a case if you knew the outcome was rigged before you ever walked in the room?

This is what was so great about Trump - - he was not the R's pre approved candidate, heck they never thought he had a chance - - they wanted to give you their pre approved choices of the queen pre determined winner Hillary and one of the pre approved Republican establishment candidates they thought would be acceptable if by some off chance Hillary lost - - - they never in their wildest dreams thought Trump had a chance

when he did win both the establishment R's and all of the D's all freaked out, they couldn't' accept that they hadn't gotten who they wanted and they then spent the next 4 years doing everything they could to make sure he didn't get a second term - and perhaps even worked together to sway the election

Bill - if winning is more important than voting for the absolute best person then what's the point of voting? - - with the R's & D's we get to pick from that's not winning - - that's letting them win

also as to your statement that "too many have fought and died" - - personally I think they fought and died to prevent the type of political corruption that the two party system has become they fought for you and I to have a real choice, not what we are being fed now

Quote from Edward Neal

okay a few questions:

Is winning more important than values?

and

Is it really winning when they pick who you get to vote for?

To me if I vote for the R or D they tell are my only choices if I want to win - - that is not winning. Thats a rigged event where the outcome is an outcome they have predetermined to be acceptable.

I know you are a lawyer, and in that profession "winning" is very important, But would you feel good about winning a case if you knew the outcome was rigged before you ever walked in the room?

This is what was so great about Trump - - he was not the R's pre approved candidate, heck they never thought he had a chance - - they wanted to give you their pre approved choices of the queen pre determined winner Hillary and one of the pre approved Republican establishment candidates they thought would be acceptable if by some off chance Hillary lost - - - they never in their wildest dreams thought Trump had a chance

when he did win both the establishment R's and all of the D's all freaked out, they couldn't' accept that they hadn't gotten who they wanted and they then spent the next 4 years doing everything they could to make sure he didn't get a second term - and perhaps even worked together to sway the election

Bill - if winning is more important than voting for the absolute best person then what's the point of voting? - - with the R's & D's we get to pick from that's not winning - - that's letting them win

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If you truly believe that this last presidential election was rigged and that the vote count was falsified so that Biden would win then I think you also must accept the fact that to successfully pull this off in multiple States as would be required and then to undermine any recounts or investigations that might implemented so that the rigging of the election could be successfully accomplished the only way this would be possible would be if the Republican Party establishment were complicit and and equal partners with the Democrats in arranging for this to be done.

No way in hell the Democrats could do it by themselves - way too much republican oversight and involvement in every State and way too many things to go wrong. Without serious Republican help and involvement the odds against success would have been insurmountable

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If you truly believe that this last presidential election was rigged and that the vote count was falsified so that Biden would win then I think you also must accept the fact that to successfully pull this off in multiple States as would be required and then to undermine any recounts or investigations that might implemented so that the rigging of the election could be successfully accomplished the only way this would be possible would be if the Republican Party establishment were complicit and and equal partners with the Democrats in arranging for this to be done.

No way in hell the Democrats could do it by themselves - way too much republican oversight and involvement in every State and way too many things to go wrong. Without serious Republican help and involvement the odds against success would have been insurmountable

Bingo! And guess who was standing in the middle of both parties and basically giving both the middle finger for 4 years, Donald J. Trump. This was without a doubt a mutual concensus from BOTH parties. After all some of these crooks have been working in the same building for more than 30 years. When the cameras turn on they put on a show but behind closed doors guaranteed they are all breaking bread together.

all of the media is controlled and owned by the same people with their own agenda and you ain’t in it…..

this is how conspiracy theories get started….from the truth…..someone is trying to hide.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne…0k-Biden-took-office.html

And once again crickets from the MSM. Also the SON of the president ( a well known drug addict ) is now an "artist" selling paintings for 75k and up. The media completely silent on this because well of course its all good because it's Bidens son. If this was any of Trumps kids the world would be falling apart.

Yep the Ds and Rs pick who you get to vote for but don't forget you picked those Ds or Rs. Waters has been voted in by your state for way too many years. One of my best friends wife run for the school board here. Well qualified and well liked but didn't have a chance as she was not supported by the Ds or Rs here. Had she gotten on the school board she would not have gotten anything done because it was all Ds. Same would happen to a not party President. Term limits would help I think but they will never vote to shorten their stay in power. What I think it will take to to educate the voters and the people that need to vote to really what is happening and what they are really are voting for. I am not talking about how they are teaching our kids in schools as politics has no place in schools.

Quote from Bill Martin

First you cannot compare a courtroom scenario to an election - hence the saying “it’s better to have a lawyer that knows the judge rather than knows the law” so in many instances verdicts are “rigged”😬. I do not disagree with a word you said BUT do you see a scenario in our lifetimes where somebody other than a Rep or Dem becomes President??? I do not given the current trajectory of this country.

I will say one thing - as long as people have the attitude that voting for someone other than a republican or democrat is a wasted vote you will be correct

we will be stuck in this rigged 2 party system until people start to understand that voting for a republican or Democrat supported by their party is in fact throwing their vote away

see - your attitude that you won't vote for a non R, or D because they can't win is exactly the attitude that makes it so they can't win - - telling the 2 parties to F-off has to start somewhere and if we wait until others do it first it will never happen

you and I need to be part of the change because if we wait for others we will be dead before it happens

seriously when change has to happen sometimes the people who start the change are not around to see it actually happen - but that does not mean it was not important for those people to be the first

Bernie Sanders is not a republican or a democrat, he is an independent? It's the presented alternative to the two party system and it's worse. Arguing about a system without presenting a suitable acceptable replacement (change) is pointless. At this point I don't see any better system being put in place. I have heard of other countries having elections with hundreds of candidates' .....a total quagmire. My point is arguing about a broken system without putting a better system on the table is pointless.

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Bernie Sanders is not a republican or a democrat, he is an independent? It's the presented alternative to the two party system and it's worse. Arguing about a system without presenting a suitable acceptable replacement (change) is pointless. At this point I don't see any better system being put in place. I have heard of other countries having elections with hundreds of candidates' .....a total quagmire. My point is arguing about a broken system without putting a better system on the table is pointless.

and the only way we get a better system is to stop supporting the current system

and making excuses not to actually do something different only serves to keep us stuck where we are - - seriously instead of telling me why you won't try voting for someone different why dont you tell me what you are going to do to help make change?

its these same old excuses, like my vote won't count, or its the best system out there, or Bernie isn't a D or an R like that actually proves something - - its all BS excuses to people make up because in reality they are afraid to step away from their party that they have identified with for most of their lives like they are afraid their friends and family will shun them if they have the balls to stand up for something different