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Quote from Bigdog

I’m going to put this under political just because...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/led…y-ship-now-120925231.html

in my eyes....this captain is an absolute hero. He possibly saved hundreds of lives. Knowing full well he was destroying his navel career.

It’s one thing to lose the lives of sailors in a war time situation. Casualties will happen. But to lose lives in a peacetime situation that could have totally been prevented is unthinkable.

the brass will make an example of him because he broke OPSEC. Broke the chain of command and it was leaked to the press. But from what I’m getting....previous alarms to the brass were ignored....which makes this entire thing even more hideous.

I’m pretty sure they don’t have several hundred ventilators on that ship....might have one tops if that....

his decision was Heroic. He was able to save every life on that ship. Which was a floating disaster of great proportion. And going down fast...could have easily turned into the Titanic....as far a death toll. Basically the captain went down to save the ship.
Some brass said he “cracked under pressure” no....he had a life and death decision to make and he chose life for the entire crew....While committing career suicide.

There will be an investigation....I’m hoping it’s a real investigation and not some drummed up “it looked like an investigation “ ...I think the majority of the public will be on his side. I’m sure 5000 sailors are and a whole bunch of Family members and Current and ex military.

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Allowing his ship to be infected with a port call in march is his responsibility. As a ship's captain he knows the rules for using the chain of command. What action would he take if one of his sailors violated OPSEC and degraded the status of his ship? He knew the rules, he knowingly violated the rules and he was removed. At sea he is judge, jury and executioner he has total say. You can't leave someone with that level of power and responsibility in place if they knowingly violate the rules.

Quote from SZurlo

I can't answer that. I'm an IT guy, not a DVM or and MD. I have no clue what would be required to get an animal testing lab setup to be able, and permitted, to do human sample testing.

In a state of emergency that could be waved or fast tracked just like Ford making medical equipment in a car plant.

One of the other things they could borrow from veterinary medicine is batch testing. It's common to test groups of animals instead of single testing. You could take 10 samples from people with no symptoms commingle the samples and use one test. If it's negative they are all negative, if positive test individually. This has been done in farm animals for decades.

Quote from SZurlo

The article says "The Covid-19 testing that was performed on Nadia was performed in a veterinary school laboratory and is not the same test used for people"

So why hasn't the lab been repurposed to process human tests? Interesting that a test for animals has been developed and produced when human testing is lagging.

Quote from SZurlo

I keep hearing about rapid testing supposedly coming any day now. My 86 year old father went to the ER yesterday and they gave him the covid test. Said it would be 5 days.

One of the issues is money. Free testing is often sent to a state lab, they are overloaded. Private labs charge for the service but return the results faster.

WOLF so sorry for your loss. Prayers for your family, the loss of a parent isn't easy even if it's expected.

Is there really a shortage of covid tests in NY? Apparently zoo animals have been moved to the top of the list. You can't make this shit up nobody would believe you.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/a…-new-york-trnd/index.html

Bigdog serious question reference ventilators. How does a hospital care for critical patients who need a vent if they send them to another hospital? Vents are part if trama care for spinal injuries most of which are not scheduled. Should victims of trama in upstate NY take a back seat to covid patients in NYC?

Quote from Bigdog

Calm down

they came from the government....not taking items in use...

You’ll have to tell your family member goodbye because their ventilator is on a shelf not being used..

Is that the answer?

If it gets so bad that they have to declare martial law...the constitution goes out the Window.

And if the hospitals that have unused equipment and disobey the order...someone is in trouble....and if one of my loved ones dies be sue a hospital disobeyed the order....my lawyer will have lots to say...

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You didn't answer the questions. Your lawsuit would be bounced immediately, if you haven't noticed people are dying on ventilators, it's not a cure.

BTW how is a hospital preparing for the virus by staging equipment different than what NYC hospitals did?

Quote from Bigdog

not private property these are things that were shipped to other hospitals and they aren’t using them....so they are being redistributed to facilities that need them...

why does everyone keep forgetting this an emergency situation and It’s life and death for many...If your mother needed a ventilator and there was one that wasn’t being used in another hospital would you want them to get it or tell You to say goodbye..

it’s not like the governor said let’s go grab some stuff..just because...We’re the government...

He issued an executive order (we're the government) to seize ventilators (private property) from private hospitals and medical facilities who aren't currently using them. Emergency or not it is the government seizing private property without due process. So if they need them are they going to unplug the person on them and send them back? What happens if someone refuses to give them up?

Quote from WOLF

It seems you misunderstood my original statement.

"Perception IS NOT NECESSARILY reality, but ones perception is their reality".

Perception can be in line with reality. It can also be complete opposite of reality. It can also fall anywhere in between fantasy and reality.

Sometimes your perception is not reality by design. They show you what they want you to see.

Quote from WOLF

Actually, it depends on how the manufacturer of that number makes his numbers. If the manufacturer makes one number that can be used as a 6 or a 9, they would both be wrong if they think it is only one number or the other.

When I type 6 or 9 , on my phone it is clearly the same number just flipped, so in this example it is both a 6 and a 9. Perception of it's orientation matches reality.

Perception vs reality

January: We can't discriminate against people with preexisting health conditions.
April: People with preexisting health conditions and the elderly will be moved to the bottom of the list for ventilators.

Where are all the activists for preexisting conditions and the elderly? Remember the commercial with the bad Republican pushing granny over the cliff? Apparently it's ok to push granny in the corner and let her die now.

Quote from WOLF

Years ago I had a conversation with a co-worker.

He stated, "Perception is not reality"

I responded, "Perception is not necessarily reality, but ones perception is their reality".

Great minds...

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Regardless of perspective one of them is wrong.

Does anybody realize that as a society we're going from age discrimination is wrong to unplug the old people so the young people have ventilators.

Seizing private property without due process, shouldn't the media be calling them dictators or nazis or something?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news…navirus-cases-top-100-000

Quote from Bigdog

There is a difference in perception or guessing or ignoring or denying and reality. My mind is clear not clouded by smoke or alcohol. I don’t try to escape the real world in meaningless brainwashing crap fed to masses in the form of “entertainment “ I give every thing the benefit of doubt until I can prove otherwise. If it’s BS I trash it if it’s real I’ll deal with it. I don’t bury my head and pretend everything is wonderful.

I really hate much of the things I’ve uncovered. But I don’t pretend everything will be ok. Or pretend it out of existence. There is much evil all around us. In many forms, much in religion and politics. Many deceivers. Many liars. Many that want to hurt us.

I base my reality from thousands of articles and videos on a multitude of topics. Over many years. I try to gather as much information on Many different things. I try to weed out the truth from fiction, the BS from lies and deception.

Maybe a shot of bourbon and some music would help you relax a little.

Quote from Doc&Ruby

If the hospitals get overcrowded, who gets care and who does not?

These decisions, known as ethical triage, have been only in the realm of academic ethics classes and speculation before now. But the realities of the Covid-19 emergency - especially in places like New York - mean that some doctors and nurses may have to make the life saving, and treatment denial decisions sometime soon. As the article says, "No one who participates on a triage team emerges undamaged."

Here's the link, its about a 10 minute read.

https://undark.org/2020/03/29/…19-shortages-health-care/

Unfortunately the young dipshits that went on vacation and spring break will get respirators and their grandparents that stayed home won't.

Quote from Red

Ready for the next bit of expert advise from the CDC?

Everybody wear a mask, wait for it to be announced.

And here we are.

Quote from Boomer

I picked up my survival kit today. We all have to wear mask or something to cover mouth and nose if entering a public building. We are in seclusion for another month. So I have TP and now this

Think I can make it ok , my wife, Norma doesn’t like bourbon, so all for me!

Just Sayin

In a world full of people hoarding toilet paper it's nice to see someone wh knows how to prioritize . Bourbon and coffee are required purchases I can wipe my ass with an old sock.