@AllIn5450... I think you have some good talking points in here, but you also make reference to a lot of items I never said, so you are making me think that even if this struck up a good conversation, it would fall on deff ears as you are only going to want to hear what you want to hear an make up the rest. (Trump may be hiring for his Twitter team.) Sorry, don't want to be short about it, but yes, as of right now, unless you live in a shoe, everyone on both side of the political sides make reference to the world ranking of health care. There is a standard that all counties were scored on. The word "better" I think can be debated, but there is a ranking none the less. If you haven't read the entire report, I'd suggest it. You MUST take the politics out of things to make anything better. The whole doctors, drugs and "cleaner hospitals"... I'd like to have whatever you are smoking, but not sure where you got that. I'll have to go read the postings again, but I'm fairly sure I didn't say this... no? As far as waiting 8-9 months for things that will kill you in 6... you haven't been sick in the last 15 years... like REALLY sick, have you? I speak with utmost certainty that the insurance companies WILL kill you TODAY with the ACA and BEFORE the ACA, all while driving your rates up 10-15% more each year. The system didn't work before ACA, doesn't work with the ACA, and shore in hell isn't going to work after the current administration gets done playing politics with it all. I also pay 20% of my entire salary NOW for medical. If you pay less, you are either taking benefits that other people are paying for or you have company sponsored insurance which probably totals a good bit of what I'm speaking to. If it's none of those, then you don't have health insurance and when you get sick, the American tax payer will pay for it or it gets distributed across all Americans in fees because no matter what, it will be paid for even if you choose not to. I can address the good talking points you have if you wish, but we need to keep it factual and about what was stated. To borrow a phrase, it's just "Fake News" if we start making it up. Can I expand on this theory?... yes, I can, but it's not a theory, it's based on a report everyone uses. What do I consider "better healthcare"... one I can use and not bankrupt me or have them take my home because I used it. "Access.... what?"... yes in deed... what? where did this even come from? I did a search for "cleaner hospitals" in the posts and I only see yours... please do tell.