Posts by Bigdog

Quote from KayTwo

Another gift from the inimitable @Bu11sh1t. Beautiful craftsmanship, uses 2 real centennial dollars. Thank you, sir.

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WOW...I’m impressed...never saw anything like that before.....beautiful...how do you make one of those?

I just came back from a ride and my steering wheel is off center now....

If the steering wheel is off center is the toe setting out of whack?

I’m told polaris sells swing arm shim kits...that said the amount of shims is different on both sides... could that be why they told me they had so much trouble lining up the hood....is my frame out of whack?

He told me my camber is out on the right and that’s the tire that was down to the wear bars..

What I don’t understand is why he doesn’t know the front tires on the can am (he drives one) and the slingshot need squared to the rear tire...

I’m going to try to talk to him and show him a few alignment videos...

I’m willing to buy some laser targets and some line lasers..

Well I was thinking if there is a way for his targets to stand upright without being attached to a wheel....that said...measurements could be taken from the center of the rear tire and have the targets on those makes.....on a car he uses 4 targets and the computer tells him all the info after it calculates the info it gets from the targets.

I don’t know if the rear targets for one back wheel would compute.

So if you don’t square off the back wheel are all the specs junk or just the toe?

I gave him the specs from the service manual. He’s comparing them to what the computer is saying. I have more info to show him about squaring off the back wheel. It’s basically the same for his can am so maybe I can convince him.

He’s telling me there is nothing you can do. I’m convinced otherwise. I’m trying to figure out a way to use a 4 wheel system on s three wheeler.

Maybe we can use the center line of the back wheel to set up the rear targets.

Any ideas?

No rear targets

That said....exactly which adjustments do you make (which nuts or shims or whatever ) do you turn to make the front wheels totally move right or left to bring them into alignment square with the rear wheel. I have yet to see or hear exactly what needs to be done.

Is Caster and camber related to the rear wheel?

Wouldn’t hurt to check the seat frame bolts

Not sure of the actual name of the equipment. He hung targets on the front wheels and the computer took measurements. I’ll add he’s been doing this over 30 years and he works on quads and he owns a can am and has done alignments on those.

He said he couldn’t adjust anything without a shim kit and longer bolts. Camber was too far out on the right side. He said the longer the bolts the weaker you make the swing arm connection.

#1 my dealer is 30 miles away
#2 they opened at 10 it was only 9
#3 no guarantee they would have the shim and longer bolts

So that’s why I bought the adjustable swing arms. I’m letting him install them.

It doesn’t have to drive funny to be out of alignment. Just look at the tires for unusual wear.... my right tire was down to the wear bars...the left one was getting scalloped but had more tread than the right side.
The guy checked my alignment and several things are out of specs....
That’s why I ordered the adjustable swing arms...they take care of the caster and camber, then you just have to do the toe in...

Quote from Red

Laws without an enforcement mechanism have no bite. Who is charged with enforcing this?If you live in a state that has emission testing it still doesn't matter unless it causes it to fail the test. I really doubt anyone is going to disassemble your exhaust to look for a cat.
Why would polaris install them, because the went to sell them in places like California.

in PA we have emissions tests...( not on the SS) and if it doesn’t pass the test...you have to spend up to $150 to try to get it to pass. You have to have receipts. Then you get an exemption...sticker. Next year you have to do it again and I don’t know how long you can avoid not getting it fixed the right way...

What really scares me is if the idiots in Washington change out designation nationally to autocycle....the rules will probably change and it could include emissions testing...same motor as the Chevy cobalt.

I just came back from alignment shop. Guy said I need shims to correct the camber. I showed him this and he said these would work real good. Everything can be dialed in real precise. Shims are guess work to a point.

Just ordered a set. Not crazy about the color but that’s why they make paint.

I’m going to have him stall them and get it all done at one time. He owned a can am (side by side) whatever that is.

I also took him for a ride he was pretty impressed.

Quote from Red

Does that apply to motorcycles?

Why did polaris waste money putting them on? I would say if they were required to install them, (by the government) they had a good reason. I would imagine it has something to do. With motor size. That said if it came installed from the factory if you or someone else removes it....there is a problem. In your state is it a motorcycle or an autocycle?

If you remove the catalytic converter you will be in violation of Federal and some state environmental regulations. The vehicle will run just fine, but you'll pay if you're caught.

Removal of catalytic converters is a whole different story. The removal without replacement of a catalytic converter by individuals or automotive servicers is a violation of Section 203(a)(3)(B) of the federal Clean Air Act.

UNITED STATES ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20460

Office of Enforcement and General Counsel
June 25, 1974
Mobile Source Enforcement Memorandum No. 1A
SUBJECT: Interim Tampering Enforcement Policy
A. Purpose
The purpose of this Memorandum is to state the interim policy of EPA with regard to enforcement of the "tampering" prohibition-- Section 203(a)(3)--of the Clean Air Act. This Memorandum cancels and supersedes Mobile Source Enforcement Memorandum No. 1 of December 22, 1972.
Section 203(a)(3) of the Clean Air Act provides:
"The following acts and the causing thereof are prohibited--
(3) for any person to remove or render inoperative any device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under this title prior to its sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser, or for any manufacturer or dealer knowingly to remove or render inoperative any such device or element of design after such sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser."
Section 205 of the Act provides for a maximum civil penalty of $10,000 for any person who violates Section 203(a)(3). ^^^^^^^
2. This "tampering" provision of the law has created a great deal of uncertainty, primarily among new vehicle dealers and automotive aftermarket parts manufacturers, regarding what actions and/or use of what parts are prohibited. The terms "manufacturer" and "dealer" in 203(a)(3) refer only to motor vehicle and engine manufacturers and new motor vehicle dealers; however, the law impacts indirectly on aftermarket parts manufacturers through its applicability to vehicle dealers who are customers for their products. Other provisions in the Act establishing manufacturer warranties and authorizing compulsory recall of properly maintained vehicles also have a potential for anti-competitive effects in the aftermarket.
3. In general, it is clear that EPA's primary objective in enforcing the statutory prohibition on "tampering" must be to assure unimpaired emission control of motor vehicles throughout their useful life. It is EPA's policy to attempt to achieve this objective without imposing unnecessary restraints on commerce in the automotive aftermarket.
4. The long range solution to minimizing possible anti-competitive effects that could result from implementation of these statutory provisions may lie in some type of certification program for at least certain categories of aftermarket parts. EPA is currently studying the technical, administrative and legal problems which such a program presents. EPA has yet to develop the policy, procedures, or facilities attendant to any long range solution.
5. In the absence of a long-term solution, and in the absence of proof that use of nonoriginal equipment parts will adversely affect emissions, constraining dealers to the use of only original equipment parts would constitute an unwarranted burden on commerce in the automotive aftermarket. Pending development of a long range solution, the following statement reflects EPA's interim policy in the tampering area. This policy is intended to reduce the uncertainty which dealers now face by providing criteria by which dealers can determine in advance that certain of their acts do not constitute tampering.
6. New vehicle and engine manufacturers have also requested that they be treated, in their aftermarket parts role, similarly to other aftermarket parts manufacturers. Memorandum No. 1 was intended to avoid unnecessary adverse impacts on all aftermarket manufacturers; this revision, therefore, makes it clear that EPA's interim policy extends to vehicle and engine manufacturers.
B. Interim Policy
1. Unless and until otherwise stated, the Environmental Protection Agency will not regard the following acts, when performed by a dealer, to constitute violations of Section 203(a)(3) of the Act:
(a) Use of a nonoriginal equipment aftermarket part (including a rebuilt part) as a replacement part solely for purposes of maintenance according to the vehicle or engine manufacturer's instructions, or for repair or replacement of a defective or worn out part, if the dealer has a reasonable basis for knowing that such use will not adversely affect emissions performance; and

(b) Use of a nonoriginal equipment aftermarket part or system as an add-on, auxiliary, augmenting, or secondary part or system, if the dealer has a reasonable basis for knowing that such use will not adversely affect emissions performance; and
(c) Adjustments or alterations of a particular part or system parameter, if done for purposes of maintenance or repair according to the vehicle or engine manufacturer's instructions, or if the dealer has a reasonable basis for knowing that such adjustment or alteration will not adversely affect emissions performance.
2. For purposes of clause (la), a reasonable basis for knowing that a given act will not adversely affect emissions performance exists if:
(a) the dealer reasonably believes that the replacement part or rebuilt part is designed to perform the same function with respect to emission control as the replaced part, or
(b) the replacement part or rebuilt part is represented in writing by the part manufacturer to perform the same function with respect to emission control as the replaced part.
3. For purposes of clauses (lb) and (lc), a reasonable basis for knowing that a given act will not adversely affect emissions performance exists if:
(a) the dealer knows of emissions tests which have been performed according to testing procedures prescribed in 40 CFR section 85 showing that the act does not cause similar vehicles or engines to fail to meet applicable emission standards for their useful lives (5 years or 50,000 miles in the case of light-duty vehicles); or
(b) the part or system manufacturer represents in writing that tests as described in (a) have been performed with similar results; or
(c) a Federal, State or local environmental control agency expressly represents that a reasonable basis exists. (This provision is limited to the geographic area over which the State or local agency has jurisdiction).

4. For purposes of clauses (la), (lb), and (lc):

(a) except when necessarily done in conjunction with acts under l(b)or l(c) which EPA does not consider to constitute violations of Section 203(a)(3), the permanent removal or disconnecting or blocking of any part of the original system installed primarily for the purpose of controlling emissions will be presumed to adversely affect emission performance; and
(b) the proscription and appropriate publication by EPA of an act as prohibited will be deemed conclusive that such act will adversely affect emissions performance.
C. Discussion
1. Clause (la) will apply to new or rebuilt replacement parts, protecting the dealer when he uses such a part to conduct necessary maintenance if a person familiar with the design and function of motor vehicles and engines would reasonably believe that such a part is designed to perform the same function as the replaced part, or if there is written representation by the parts manufacturer that the part is so designed. Other reasonable bases (e.g., emissions test showing no adverse effect) may exist, but these other bases will probably not occur often in the replacement part context. If EPA gains information that certain replacement parts do adversely affect emissions, a listing of such parts will be published

Norman D. Shulter, Director
Mobile Source Enforcement Division
Office of Enforcement and General Counsel

Those places don’t have racks to accommodate the rear wheel.

That’s the reason I just finished my electronic update

Here is the approx. amps used by the riding gear I bought.

I ran one big fat wire from the battery to under the hood

The fat wire comes in at the top into the circuit breaker, then to distribution block, the to aux standard fuse box and to the neutrino. I’m going to control each heated item separately.

just be aware it’s a $10,000 fine to eliminate your catalytic converter if you get caught.

Check the net it’s easy to center your steering wheel.

What I want to know is what adjustments you make to the front end to square the front wheels with the rear wheel?

I did the CAI and the cat delete welter duel and it runs like a different machine. It had to increase the HP.

Just because they sent them doesn’t mean anyone knows how to use them.

Finished up nstalling my electronic/ electrical tray. Started it up and the check engine light threw this code.

65580. 12

Searched the internet and got my answer from someone posting on a different forum. Shout out to the fellow anonymous SS owner for your previous post.

The cure was to remove the ground wire from the battery for 10 seconds.

Now I have to figure out how to get the neutrino working.

It cleared the code. I’m happy.