Posts by dlmoxley

    I notice from a number of remarks that a few of you keep referring to the rally being moved.
    To put this straight Alan Burlison approached me and requested Slingshotroadsters would take this over from this year to which I agreed.I know Eureka Springs which I like very much.I spent a month there some years ago.I have arranged with the same hotel to run the rally there.I have never been to this hotel.I am told it’s good so hopefully it is.My philosophy is if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.I do my best to run a decent Meetup.This one is harder than usual but can assure every attendee I am doing my best to make it a big success and have absolutely no intention of ruining from what I understand has been a really good event for the last 3 years.

    Thanks for clearing that up. Having seen mention of the event possibly being moved (in this thread) it made me wonder if they meant from Eureka Springs or to somewhere else within Eureka Springs (not this year obviously since the flyer is out and is clear enough as to the location of the event).

    Been a great rally---and getting better every year and a great place to ride.

    I agree regarding the places to ride. We attended the event in 2016 and to be honest it had some issues with the organization of the group rides. Two days in a row, the group we joined got split up and we ended up spending a fair amount of time trying to catch up with the other part of the group. One our second ride, we got split up again. The group sweep was not briefed on the destinations, plus we could not contact the lead. We never saw the rest of the group until we returned to motel location. Suffice it to say, the rides did not pan out well (at least on the rides we joined).


    All that aside, I see that SLINGSHOTROADSTERS has taken over the event and they have been known to put on good ones. We thought we would give it another shot.

    Regarding helmets and Tennessee, I also got stopped about a month ago and told about the helmet requirement. I contacted the Safety Department and the answer I received was . . .


    The excerpt from the email I received back is shown below. The remainder of the response presented information from the 2017 Slingshot owners manual with respect to the use of helmets. The bottom line is, as it stands today in Tennessee, according to the state, helmet use is as stated below. In fairness, the person who answered my email (Kyle) admitted that questions from the owners group do exist. His answer just addresses my email and clarification of the existing law.

    "You are correct about the Department’s interpretation of “fully enclosed.” Fully enclosed auto-cycle means that the driver and passenger are complete surround by the vehicle. Much in the same way individuals are surrounded in non-convertible automobiles. As indicated in the picture, it is our interpretation of state law that fully enclosed does include a roof, sides, and not simply roll bars. The decision to allow individuals to operate an auto-cycle without a helmet was a law passed by the legislature and only applied to auto-cycles that are fully enclosed."


    I received this information from . . .



    Kyle Turner| Staff Attorney

    Commissioner Purkey’s Office

    Tennessee Tower, 25th Floor

    312 Rosa L. Parks Avenue, Nashville, TN 37243

    p. 615-251-5123 c. 615-393-4491

    Kyle.Turner@tn.gov

    tn.gov/safety

    Per the trooper who stopped me, the top shown below is what they consider as fully enclosed.



    Recently, I was stopped by a State Trooper (Tennessee) for not wearing a helmet. During that discussion, I learned that the term "fully enclosed" did not mean what has been commonly accepted (see email message sent to the Safety Office for tn.gov below). By the way, I did not get a citation.



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    Email I sent asking for clarification . . .



    "I am contacting your office to request some clarification of the current directives that govern the use of wearing a helmet when operating a autocycle. The confusion surrounding the use of a helmet centers on the specific definition of a "fully enclosed" autocycle as it pertains to a Slingshot for example.


    Prior to moving to Tennessee in November 2016, I researched the helmet requirements and came upon the recent changes that were made, that went into effect on July 1st of 2016 (HB2045). The accepted definition at the time among most Slingshot owners was, that fully enclosed meant the occupants were laterally surrounded by steel frame. A top, was not considered due to two factors. First the Slingshot comes with two roll bars/hoops, that are designed to support the weight of the vehicle during a rollover incident. The other factor was, that aftermarket tops installed on a Slingshot, do not provide any rollover protection. To my knowledge, every top vendor makes it clear through a written disclaimer that the top is not designed with that purpose in mind. It was thought that between the framing and roll bars/hoops, that the fully enclosed requirement was met.


    That mindset was further advanced by the feedback from owners who had spoken with law enforcement officers, had ridden by officers who did not react and in some cases answered questions put forth by officers about helmet requirements for this vehicle. That is until yesterday, when my wife and I got stopped in Jackson, TN, by a state trooper for not wearing helmets. The trooper was very professional and took the time to explain the reason for the requirement and what is needed to do away with the need for helmet. He showed us a paper that contained an example of a Slingshot with a top installed. I do not have a copy of the paper, however, I believe that the top that was used for the picture is from Slinglines . . .




    One of the re-sellers of this top has the following disclaimer posted to their web site . . .

    • The Slinglines roof system DOES NOT provide any type of rollover or crash support for your Slingshot and is intended to be used as a SUN SHADE ONLY

    If the thought is, that a top will do away with the need for a helmet during a rollover, then based on the disclaimer alone, it does not. However, being equipped with a factory installed roll bar/hoops for both passengers, along with seat belts and the surrounding frame work does provide some protection. Frankly, more protection than some convertible cars.


    My wife and I will be the first to acknowledge that wearing a helmet reduces risk. This email message is not an attempt to do away with the wearing of a helmet while operating a Slingshot, but more of a request to clarify what a "fully enclosed" Slingshot is.



    Hopefully, this email will spur some further discussion on the subject and will ultimately help the owners and law enforcement officers understand the requirements better or perhaps change them."



    The excerpt from the email I received back is shown below. The remainder of the response presented information from the 2017 Slingshot owners manual with respect to the use of helmets. The bottom line is, as it stands today in Tennessee, according to the state, helmet use is as stated below. In fairness, the person who answered my email (Kyle) admitted that questions from the owners group do exist. His answer just addresses my email and clarification of the existing law.

    "You are correct about the Department’s interpretation of “fully enclosed.” Fully enclosed auto-cycle means that the driver and passenger are complete surround by the vehicle. Much in the same way individuals are surrounded in non-convertible automobiles. As indicated in the picture, it is our interpretation of state law that fully enclosed does include a roof, sides, and not simply roll bars. The decision to allow individuals to operate an auto-cycle without a helmet was a law passed by the legislature and only applied to auto-cycles that are fully enclosed."



    I received this information from . . .



    Kyle Turner| Staff Attorney


    Commissioner Purkey’s Office


    Tennessee Tower, 25th Floor


    312 Rosa L. Parks Avenue, Nashville, TN 37243


    p. 615-251-5123 c. 615-393-4491


    Kyle.Turner@tn.gov


    tn.gov/safety