Do you ever really OWN an electric car?

    https://electrek.co/2020/10/27…strenght-option-new-cars/

    Pestla keeps screwing with their customers.

    Want all the power your car has? Pay us an extra 2K to unshackle the software.

    Want regenerative breaking? Nah, we decided you really don't and we're removing it without permission and without telling you.

    Maybe better than the Canadian fellow whose Nissan Leaf is down to 35 mile range because no one will sell him a new battery pack. Maybe next year... for $15K says Nissan of Canada. Besides you could just by a new one.

    When the owner groused that this didn't make the car an ecologically sustainable choice, Nissan told him "Shut up, you're lucky! In Europe we charge $35K for a new battery pack!"

    https://electrek.co/2020/10/27…strenght-option-new-cars/


    Ugh.

    The smarter you get, the funnier I am.

    I don't own an electric car but do own a hybrid and love it. It is a 2018 Honda Civic with all the bells and whistles. I have seen mileage as high as 47 mpg and have no complaints. I like the idea of full electric but feel it is too early to get one yet for the above and other reasons.

    Quote from Doc&Ruby

    https://electrek.co/2020/10/27…strenght-option-new-cars/

    We really have no desire to own an electric car, one is just not practical for the driving that we do, so no practical experience. But in reading this article if you own, or want to purchase, an electric car, it does not make any sense why an owner would not want to take advantage of regenerative braking?


    Bill

    I often wondered who is going to buy these electric cars when they start to get old and need to be traded in. My first guess would be was the battery going bad? How much longer is the battery going to last. I see dealers not wanting to take them in as trade as they won't want lots full of ones that won't sell. Are they going to be drive and throw away? I love the picture I seen the other day some where. I car charging up at a highway station and a big diesel generator powering the charging station. Yep that is Green alright.

    If the music is to loud you are to old.

    Quote from EricRedSL

    Why buy electric? I figured that charging up cost as much or more as gassing up. And don't say your saving the environment. The electricity probably comes from a fossil fuel plant.

    Charging up is no where near the cost of fuel. I get roughly 1000 miles for ever $22 of electricity. Lets compare it to a civic...that would cost about $65 at $2 a gallon. In Colorado, it's roughly $2.35 a gallon now. So even more than that. To go the average of 15K miles a year...you would save over $1000 assuming gas doesn't go up and after the cost of oil changes. Over the average life ownership of the vehicle of 5 years...You would save over $5K...assuming gas won't go up. At $3 a gallon it goes to $8500 in savings in just gas and oil. Over the average life span of a battery...which is typically warrantied between 7-10 years... at $3/gallon...you would save $17K. I'm not worried about saving the planet...I enjoy saving the money in my wallet.

    You want to compare further...the cost of a base model Civic is around $22k. The cost of a new Leaf SV with AutoPilot and Tech Package is around $34K. Add in Tax credits and I actually only paid $21K for my Leaf. Now factor in that I use my Leaf for my business, and I was able to claim an additional $18K in tax credits...which made the Leaf $3K.


    Add that all up and now I have a savings of $31K + the cost of gas + oil changes + not having to fuel up in freezing and windy winter conditions.

    Worth it.

    Actively looking for another sling...It is time...

    My calculation had charging costs as much as gas. Could be I'm off but all this depends on the price of gas and electricity in your area. After watching a video of the destruction to the earth to mine for elements to build batteries, I think we are going in the wrong direction.

    The only other alternative to batteries is super capacitors.

    A couple of years ago I remember hearing about them, but they have died out in favor of batteries?

    Is it a conspiracy??????^^^^^^:D:D:D:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

    I have the best of both worlds, a plug in hybrid. 58 miles of pure electricity, and a gas engine as backup if i need to go further.

    It works for us as 99% of our driving is under that. So the 7 gallons of gas in it is coming up on 1 year old.

    Time to fire up the coal burner and burn it out so i can replace it with fresh gas.

    I also have a gas guzzling V-8 powered GMC Sierra when I just need to say fuck it.

    Quote from WingShot

    How far can you go on a charge and how long does it take to recharge?



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    My 2018 Leaf is rated at 152 miles of range. I have gotten as much as 182 miles on a single charge. Regenerative braking is a good thing in mountain states. I rarely need to go further than that in a day. If I have to hit a quick charger, I can usually go to any Walmart or REI and charge from 10% to 80-85% in 30 min. So a quick grocery stop for a few things and good to go. Quick charging in the first 2 years was free. I only used it about 11 times in 2 years since I rarely needed to charge while I was out and about. For 98% of the year...this is great and low cost. Other times I want to road trip...I have my Jeep or Kia. Hell my Slingshot only gets about 190 miles per tank so honestly there isn't much difference as far as range when it comes to the Leaf and Slingshot.

    Actively looking for another sling...It is time...

    Quote from EricRedSL

    My calculation had charging costs as much as gas. Could be I'm off but all this depends on the price of gas and electricity in your area. After watching a video of the destruction to the earth to mine for elements to build batteries, I think we are going in the wrong direction.

    I'll agree that electric is extremely harsh on the environment...just like a lot of many other industries. It's hard to say which is better or worse. The long term environmental impact could change as technology changes. I know they are already developing batteries with greater capacity and less material being used. Something the fuel industry really hasn't changed in it's entire process.

    I really thought environmentalists would have pursued hydrogen power more than electric...but I do think that is mostly because electric is going to be the next "big oil". It's another limited resource that will be able to be controlled by industry giants.

    Actively looking for another sling...It is time...

    Quote from Br4hm4

    Charging up is no where near the cost of fuel. I get roughly 1000 miles for ever $22 of electricity. Lets compare it to a civic...that would cost about $65 at $2 a gallon. In Colorado, it's roughly $2.35 a gallon now. So even more than that. To go the average of 15K miles a year...you would save over $1000 assuming gas doesn't go up and after the cost of oil changes. Over the average life ownership of the vehicle of 5 years...You would save over $5K...assuming gas won't go up. At $3 a gallon it goes to $8500 in savings in just gas and oil. Over the average life span of a battery...which is typically warrantied between 7-10 years... at $3/gallon...you would save $17K. I'm not worried about saving the planet...I enjoy saving the money in my wallet.

    You want to compare further...the cost of a base model Civic is around $22k. The cost of a new Leaf SV with AutoPilot and Tech Package is around $34K. Add in Tax credits and I actually only paid $21K for my Leaf. Now factor in that I use my Leaf for my business, and I was able to claim an additional $18K in tax credits...which made the Leaf $3K.


    Add that all up and now I have a savings of $31K + the cost of gas + oil changes + not having to fuel up in freezing and windy winter conditions.

    Worth it.

    I recent article from Electrek said that in the UK, "gassing up" a Tesla cost the equivalent of $9.50/gal where regular gasoline was only about $7 a gallon.

    The cost savings can easily be cannibalized by a high-tax socialist government.

    The smarter you get, the funnier I am.

    Quote from Doc&Ruby

    I recent article from Electrek said that in the UK, "gassing up" a Tesla cost the equivalent of $9.50/gal where regular gasoline was only about $7 a gallon.

    The cost savings can easily be cannibalized by a high-tax socialist government.

    One of the many reasons I am against socialism.

    Actively looking for another sling...It is time...