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Quote from DJohnson

Yes the problem the FBI had going to the 40 S&W was that a lot of people couldn't shoot it very well. I owned a S&W Shield in 40 S&W. I could shoot it well but did not enjoy shooting it at the range. I believe in practicing with what you are carrying and I prefer to enjoy my practice sections. Traded it for the Shield 9mm which is a good shooter but as I love my 1911s in 45 I bought the Shield 45. There is a lot more to this caliber thing then just poking a hole and bleeding. The foot pounds of energy that is delivered to the target has a lot to do with stopping power. Before starting to sound like BD I will drop stating my opinions about the subject. Yes I have read most of the data and reports and most prove the point they are wanting to prove.

I don't carry a gun at all, I have guns for home defense, but except for practice and range shooting they don't leave the house, having said this I do find the subject to be interesting

just for kicks check this out - murderous attacker who simply would not go down, even though he was shot 14 times with .45-cal. ammunition – six of those hits in supposedly fatal locations.

Quote from Edward Neal

If your going to get in a gun battle with a bad guy who is determined to keep fighting after being shot then odds are your shot placement will matter more than the caliber of the bullet fired. In almost every other case the physiological impact of realizing you have been shot is very likely going to be enough to stop most people regardless of the caliber - here is an interesting link

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" According to the FBI, the ugly truth about handgun caliber is that it doesn’t really matter when it comes to stopping a threat. I know, I know, “But the 1986 FBI shootout in Miami spawned the creation of the .40 S&W because the 9mm didn’t work.” First of all, there is way more to that story, and secondly, the Bureau now has three decades worth of follow-up information proving that the reason people stop fighting after being shot is largely psychological. No commonly used defensive handgun round has the power to produce an immediate cessation of hostile action unless you interrupt the central nervous system. Period.

So, whether you use a .44 Magnum or a .22 Long Rifle, if an attacker decides to keep fighting after he gets shot, he will typically be physically able to do so until his blood pressure drops to near zero.

Those of you who are advocates of the big-bore pistols will say something to the effect of, “Well, a bigger hole makes you bleed more than a smaller hole.”

Not always. South Carolina Highway Patrol Corporal Mark Coates was killed during a traffic stop in 1992. The killer and Corporal Coates scuffled, and the killer was able to fire one shot from a .22 revolver. That round was stopped by the trooper’s vest. Corporal Coates was able to force the man off of him and return fire, striking him five times in the chest with his .357 Magnum revolver. As Corporal Coates retreated for cover and to radio for backup, the assailant fired another shot. The round struck Trooper Coates in the left armpit and traveled into his heart. The assailant survived the incident and was sentenced to life in prison."

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you just discovered why LEO always practices the double tap center mass. You stop pretty quick when your heart blows apart.

That was a very good read @Edward Neal. it would have been interesting to know what brand and type ammo his department was using. As discuss in above post caliber is not as important and what the bullet does when entering the body. Poking holes just doesn't automatically get it done. If you like to read about this stuff a expert in the field is Massad Ayoob . I have read his books and if I ever had to go to trial he would have to be on my case.

Quote from DJohnson

That was a very good read @Edward Neal. it would have been interesting to know what brand and type ammo his department was using. As discuss in above post caliber is not as important and what the bullet does when entering the body. Poking holes just doesn't automatically get it done. If you like to read about this stuff a expert in the field is Massad Ayoob . I have read his books and if I ever had to go to trial he would have to be on my case.

quick search came up with this - 230-gr. Speer Gold Dot . 45 hollowpoints

from this story

"Raymond Maddox did not survive. Autopsy showed he had been hit by 17 of Gramins’ 230-gr. Speer Gold Dot .45 hollowpoints. Some had hit extremities, including upper limbs as the officer’s bullets tracked up the gunman’s arms while he was firing at the cop. But Maddox had also been hit in one kidney, both lungs … and the heart. All three of Gramins’ last carefully braced, precisely aimed shots had indeed hit the head, but two had smashed into his face and only the last had pierced the brain and ended the fight."

I missed that those are good bullets.

Quote from DJohnson

I missed that those are good bullets.

DJohnson

you didnt miss it - dont think it was in the first story I posted - fortunately the story has been widely shared and finding one that mentioned the ammo used was not difficult

I think another thing that was interesting about that story is that Raymond Maddox was described as a 37 year old "lanky" 6 footer - - and that the autopsy found no evidence of drugs in his system

So not some huge guy on drugs as one might expect

In case anyone missed this...

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/17…plead-guilty-misdemeanors

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Excerpt from a comment section for an article about S&W's statement about the continuing ammo shortage ....

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Interesting ad for a "fuel filter" ....

https://www.tudoholice.com/pro…ter-aluminum-solvent-trap

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The cap even has a detent for say, drilling a hole through it, if for some strange reason one wanted to do that…

Lightweight aluminum would not last very long, would it?

Quote from AllIn5450

Lightweight aluminum would not last very long, would it?

Just haven't seen one of these adds for a couple years, used to be quite a few companies offering "solvent trap kits".

Sleeve the mounting threads with a SS nutsert and ...... never mind .......

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Quote from FunCycle

It is legal until you drill those holes. Everyone should have a couple of them laying around for just in case.

With demand and even prices on new ones.... cheaper to get these and finish them then apply for stamp. Just know by ordering your putting yourself on a "list"....

I'm thinking that the aluminum would melt with the buildup of the heat.

And I would not put it past the government to be running that website.

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...just for kicks check this out - murderous attacker who simply would not go down, even though he was shot 14 times with .45-cal. ammunition – six of those hits in supposedly fatal locations.

Reading the article makes it seem like it was a long shootout, but only lasted 56 seconds.