Let's BAN gasoline, diesel, AND hybrid vehicles!

    https://www.whatcar.com/news/n…e-banned-from-2035/n15810


    You might think that this is BS, and in many ways, it is, but this is what they are doing in Britain. And the deadline is 2035 - just 15 years away. And they have no idea where they will get the lithium batteries, and they have virtually no charging infrastructure for this.

    How well did pure electric cars do in the British market this year? Sales were up 144%... they now account for 1.6% of total car sales. Sounds like the great car buying public across the pond doesn't have much desire for these things... but the self righteous politicos are gonna ram 'em down every one's throats anyhow.

    Do you want that HERE? It's easy. Just vote for the arrogant socialist eco-terrorist on a political ballot in your town this fall. (That's eco-terrorist as in "economic terrorist")

    :cursing:

    The smarter you get, the funnier I am.

    Vote or don't vote. That elected official will join every lobbyist group they can until they are elite members of only the largest groups.


    That came out in my real voice, did it not? :/

    Term limits would totally screw that up.


    I don't normally talk politics.

    But when I do...

    I totally screw it up.

    Slingshot Flyer! Well, of course it's red... :REDSS:

    The quote below is from the NY Post.


    "By 2050, our sun is expected to be unusually cool.

    It’s what scientists have termed a “grand minimum” — a particularly low point in what is otherwise a steady 11-year cycle.

    Over this cycle, the sun’s tumultuous heart races and rests.

    At its high point, the nuclear fusion at the sun’s core forces more magnetic loops high into its boiling atmosphere — ejecting more ultraviolet radiation and generating sunspots and flares.

    When it’s quiet, the sun’s surface goes calm.

    It ejects less ultraviolet radiation.

    Now scientists have scoured the skies and history for evidence of an even greater cycle amid these cycles.

    One particularly cool period in the 17th century guided their research.

    An intense cold snap between 1645 and 1715 has been dubbed the “Maunder Minimum.”

    In England, the Thames River froze over. The Baltic Sea was covered in ice — so much so that the Swedish army was able to march across it to invade Denmark in 1658.

    But the cooling was not uniform: Distorted weather patterns warmed up Alaska and Greenland.

    These records were combined with 20 years of data collected by the International Ultraviolet Explorer satellite mission, as well as observations of nearby stars similar to the sun.

    Now physicist Dan Lubin at the University of California San Diego has calculated an estimate of how much dimmer the sun is likely to be when the next such grand minimum takes place.

    His team’s study has been published in the journal Astrophysical Journal Letters.

    It finds that the sun is likely to be 7 percent cooler than its usual minimum.

    And another grand minimum is likely to be just decades away, based on the cooling spiral of recent solar cycles."

    You do bring up a lot of good points, especially about the charging infrastructure. There are several things that will need to be figured out to make this happen, a lot of people that live in apartments/condos without a garage or place to charge their vehicles without running cords out to their cars to charge them overnight. Can their electrical grid handle the load, etc. It is always easier to create a policy then to implement it, but we will have to wait and see if this works out. It will be interesting to see what the used gasoline/diesel car market does as we get closer to 2035 also.


    If the sales of the electric cars do keep growing at that same percentage though, in just over 11 years, they will reach 100% of the market, but that would be a pretty impressive gain to sustain for that long.

    Quote from Doc&Ruby

    Flybuddy

    Umm... being an astronomy nerd, I'm excited by things like the Maunder Minimum (and the global cooling it causes)

    But where is the connection to UK energy / transportation policy??

    Their policy is being based on climate change/carbon reduction. The cooling solar situation somewhat negates that and if we run into the Maunder Minimum we might want to be finding ways to increase global temps.

    Quote from Doc&Ruby

    https://www.whatcar.com/news/n…e-banned-from-2035/n15810


    You might think that this is BS, and in many ways, it is, but this is what they are doing in Britain. And the deadline is 2035 - just 15 years away.

    You don't need to go to another country to find this sort of thinking, no sir / ma'am, the Governor, (democrats), have been making this a priority right here in Oregon.


    Bill

    Charging time and the installation of charging stations is a major hurdle. I recall reading something about the possibility of developing electric vehicles with specific battery specifications/sizes and quick disconnect capability. The drivers would then be able to pull up to service bays along interstates much like oil change pits. The batteries could be dropped and swapped with fully charged batteries. The turned in batteries would then be recharged.


    Many times I've swapped out a propane tank with what was clamed as a full tank only to have the new tank fail after a few uses. Imaging driving 50 miles and have an ecchanged battery fail. Not sure of how they would determine the dollar amount for the remaining charge on the returned battery?


    I actually originally intended to purchase an Elio as it seemed like a high mileage vehicle that looked like fun to drive. As my hopes faded I purchased the slingshot which In itself is somewhat of a high mileage vehicle. My truck gets 19 mph., the Slingshot 27. Good job slingshot owners for doing your part.


    For those with a turbo, have fun, I'm jealous! :) For now an educated choice is open for the individual decision and I hope that option remains!

    Quote from openair

    Yes, what do we care? Our children and grandchildren will pay the price. Their problem, not ours.

    Our kids/grandkids should be able to make their own choice of electric or fuel, the decision should not be forced upon them! Forcing our children into having no choice but to purchase an electric vehicle that to date are very costly, very limited range, utility unfriendly to load carrying/towing, extended charging times adding hours/days to any cross country trip, and charging stations few and far in between does not sound like we are doing them much of a service. Let's put the infrastructure into place first before making any regulations would be the responsible solution.


    Oh, an added thought, how are we going to provide the electricity that will be required for the operation of all of these electric vehicles?


    Bill

    Quote from Frankie55

    Charging time and the installation of charging stations is a major hurdle.


    True, but nothing we haven't done previously, as a society. Think about the early 1900's when there were no gas stations prominent, but cars were being sold.



    Quote from Frankie55

    I recall reading something about the possibility of developing electric vehicles with specific battery specifications/sizes and quick disconnect capability. The drivers would then be able to pull up to service bays along interstates much like oil change pits. The batteries could be dropped and swapped with fully charged batteries. The turned in batteries would then be recharged.


    Tesla played around with this, couldn't get it to work. The batteries are too large, too heavy, and too prone for issues due to high voltage, heat, and easy access.


    Another problem is the age of a battery. They have a finite number of recharges, and deteriorate slowly, also, most of these batteries live longer if they aren't charged 100% after each use, I think Tesla recommends 80 - 85% for daily use.


    It's a good idea on paper, and I'm sure we'll get there, but probably not anytime soon.

    Quote from wokka

    True, but nothing we haven't done previously, as a society. Think about the early 1900's when there were no gas stations prominent, but cars were being sold.

    Good point, I would love to travel RT 66 at some point. I saw a show on the development of that road. I can't recall but I remember or think it was actually developed by a tire company because they wanted people to drive their cars extended distances for the purpose of wearing their tires out and in turn purchasing new tires.


    Free market finds a way.

    I think this is a political boondoggle, not unlike the High Speed Rail project in California. That was a con, a scam to funnel 10 billion taxpayer dollars into union & Democrat croney pockets.

    Ten years later, not 1 mile of functional track exists. No one has had a ride, and they keep changing the route because a 150 mph train in LA or Frisco would kill hundreds of stupid people every year (they would, of course, continue to vote Democratic posthumously.)

    California also had a renewable energy plan, 75% renewable sources by 2025 or thereabouts. Never happened. Deadlines kept getting pushed back, etc. The only thing that DID happen is that Californians now pay higher energy costs than almost anywhere in America.

    In short, its a lie. You cannot dictate to the free market and expect anything less than abject failure. Ask Gorbachev.

    The smarter you get, the funnier I am.