New Quadshot here...

    Quote from neostar

    Here is what I don't understand. When you slap on a 4th wheel how do you get away with continuing to register as an autocycle? Wouldn't local laws prohibit that? And what about car requirements for bumpers etc? Does that only apply to Polaris or are you subject to those laws once you convert the autocyle to by all definitions a car?


    On a different note, I would love to see what the 0 to 60 numbers are with the turbo and 4 wheel kit.

    In Minnesota as long as the modification is "bolt-on" then regardless of what you do it can't change the vehicle classification.

    Unless tens of thousands of slingshot were to get the swapped(unlikely) or one gets in a bad accident that gets a lot of publicity the laws are unlikely to change, since we are barely a rounding error right now we pretty much have carte blanche.

    Is not that I am mean, I just don't sugarcoat what I say.

    I seem to recall Texas having the same type of setup, but I couldn't put my finger on it with a quick google.


    I had asked Troy about this and he's sold several here in Texas, even one to a police officer. Our inspection is not to deal with modifications, just check to see if it's road worthy per their inspection guidelines and told me not to worry about it.


    So, I'm not, just going to cross that bridge if I ever get to it.

    Quote from wokka

    I seem to recall Texas having the same type of setup, but I couldn't put my finger on it with a quick google.


    I had asked Troy about this and he's sold several here in Texas, even one to a police officer. Our inspection is not to deal with modifications, just check to see if it's road worthy per their inspection guidelines and told me not to worry about it.


    So, I'm not, just going to cross that bridge if I ever get to it.

    Unfortunately here in virginia the laws are the worst. Not sure about 4 wheel mods but I'm just sweating the fact that I have LED running lights in the front. By the letter of the law I wouldn't pass yearly state inspection because they are not OEM lights. Really annoying I know, thankfully reports from local modded-slingers are that they are having no issues with state inspections.

    The guy that made the video is Billy G. A sheriff here in Colorado. He made that video due to the misinformation that people were spreading and the lack of knowledge when it comes to the modification laws here. He's a great guy and he's been really helpful in the Slingshot community... Definitely subscribe and follow him.

    Actively looking for another sling...It is time...

    Quote from Neosolidus

    I don't know if they used special parts for the setup to make it lighter, not much detail was offered besides a few pics and random bits of info the thread went silent and nothing was ever known about it.


    Here is a pic of the sling for those that are new.


    Heard from Shadow warrior today , he,s taken a bit of a break with other commitments but the twins are up and running fine now and he's working on a new f.g hood to accommodate them and body panels, and thinks my new lambo style doors would go great with them all so hopefully we'll find out soon

    According to Virginia State Law: We are authorized LED lights of white or Amber running lights, they do not have to be OEM. The lights may not be flashing while on a public road however if you are not on a public road you may operate the vehicle while the lights are on.


    19VAC30-70-570. Permissible Lighting Equipment.

    NOTE: LED (light-emitting diode) lights with a clear lens are acceptable, if of an approved type. For those vehicles that are equipped with a multiple LED light (not filament-burning bulbs), they will pass inspection if more than 50% of the diode lights are burning.

    Here is the part you missed from a few lines above in that section:

    "

    B. Inspect for and reject if:

    1. Lamps are not of an approved type (DOT or SAE-P2, P3, PC), or do not comply with subsection A of this section."


    The key phrase "if of an approved type". An LED shop told me that approved types have to come from the car-makers inventory. Any 3rd party items are not considered "approved". This is coming from a shop that specializes in LED installs. I learned this the hard way years ago when my 2014 nissan failed state inspection because I had installed LED foglights to replace the halogens. I was told they were not of an approved type. The headlights were already OEM LED btw.


    Imagine my surprise when I walked into the light shop asking for approved LED foglights to be installed in my 2019 nissan only to be told there is none. I asked how could that be and was told because Nissan doesn't make LED foglights for my model. Simply put in order for LED lights to be of an approved type they must be of an OEM type. Now this is only talking about cars so I have no idea how strict motorcyle rules are. In any case I am hearing from the locals not to sweat my LED mods but by the letter of the law they are not approved, time will tell.

    I have taken mine through inspections twice so far and have passed both times with no issue. I also have stopped by the Fairfax police station and have been told that there isn't problem with any lighting that I am running as long as I don't run with underglow. I have only been stopped while on fort Belvoir for lighting while operating. Police off post in Alexandria, springfield, Lorton, woodbridge, they all just gave a thumbs up and have never pulled me over except in admiration. It was a cop that gave me the number of where to look for the rule. As for going by what is legal or correct I will always follow what is written in black and white and approved in signature by headshead. Old Army thing I guess. I don't take word of mouth as rule of thumb or something that I can protect myself in court with. it has to be black and white. Again the LED Headlights that I am using passed inspection.


    Like you, I am not going to sweat it, if they try to fight it, I will pull out the law that I just posted here and have them try to prove the law wrong. lol. good luck out there.

    Quote from NNEVES57

    I have taken mine through inspections twice so far and have passed both times with no issue. I also have stopped by the Fairfax police station and have been told that there isn't problem with any lighting that I am running as long as I don't run with underglow. I have only been stopped while on fort Belvoir for lighting while operating. Police off post in Alexandria, springfield, Lorton, woodbridge, they all just gave a thumbs up and have never pulled me over except in admiration. It was a cop that gave me the number of where to look for the rule. As for going by what is legal or correct I will always follow what is written in black and white and approved in signature by headshead. Old Army thing I guess. I don't take word of mouth as rule of thumb or something that I can protect myself in court with. it has to be black and white. Again the LED Headlights that I am using passed inspection.


    Like you, I am not going to sweat it, if they try to fight it, I will pull out the law that I just posted here and have them try to prove the law wrong. lol. good luck out there.

    Just remember it's good to have the cops not have issues but the one that will get you is the state inspector. I had my 2014 leaf with 3rd party led foglights pass 3 yearly state inspections but on the 4th, the inspector was not in a good mood and decided to fail me. I lost some money that day both in having to remove the LEDS and in the labor required since it was a real pain to get to the lights. BTW I have a buddy who is an VA ex-cop and he says he sees no issues with what I got on the sling too.


    Now the helmet laws are a different matter. Lots of local slingshot owners are under the impression that once you get a 3rd party roof you are good to go without using a helmet. Nope, matter of fact no roof not even the slingshade will exempt you from using a helmet. The keyword is "removable". Even though some roofs take over half an hour to remove they are still removable so you can and will get ticketed not using a helmet in VA. This was the feedback I got from the former VA cop.


    So yeah I am with you about getting the story straight when it comes to laws.

    I have the slingshade and have been told that it is considered NON-removable unless of course you expect to be carrying a socket set with you everywhere. I drive every day all over and don't wear a helmet. Even when I get stopped for various things, helmet is not one of the issues. I have never been questioned and as a matter of fact I carry the quote from the law regarding nonremovable roof not requiring me to wear one and nobody has argued it otherwise. you are the first to state that I have to wear one. again, writing black and white. I will go with that.



    § 46.2-910. Motorcycle and autocycle operators to wear helmets, etc.; certain sales prohibited; penalty.


    A. Every person operating a motorcycle or autocycle shall wear a face shield, safety glasses or goggles, or have his motorcycle or autocycle equipped with safety glass or a windshield at all times while operating the vehicle, and operators and any passengers thereon shall wear protective helmets. Operators and passengers riding on motorcycles with wheels of eight inches or less in diameter or in three-wheeled motorcycles or autocycles that have nonremovable roofs, windshields, and enclosed bodies shall not be required to wear protective helmets. The windshields, face shields, glasses or goggles, and protective helmets required by this section shall meet or exceed the standards and specifications of the Snell Memorial Foundation, the American National Standards Institute, Inc., or the federal Department of Transportation. Failure to wear a face shield, safety glasses or goggles, or protective helmets shall not constitute negligence per se in any civil proceeding. The provisions of this section requiring the wearing of protective helmets shall not apply to operators of or passengers on motorcycles or autocycles being operated (i) as part of an organized parade authorized by the Department of Transportation or the locality in which the parade is being conducted and escorted, accompanied, or participated in by law-enforcement officers of the jurisdiction wherein the parade is held and (ii) at speeds of no more than 15 miles per hour.


    No motorcycle or autocycle operator shall use any face shield, safety glasses, or goggles, or have his motorcycle or autocycle equipped with safety glass or a windshield, unless of a type either (i) approved by the Superintendent prior to July 1, 1996, or (ii) that meets or exceeds the standards and specifications of the Snell Memorial Foundation, the American National Standards Institute, Inc., or the federal Department of Transportation and is marked in accordance with such standards.


    B. It shall be unlawful to sell or offer for sale, for highway use in Virginia, any protective helmet that fails to meet or exceed any standard as provided in the foregoing provisions of this section. Any violation of this subsection is a Class 4 misdemeanor.

    What I was told the meaning of a removable roof is one that you can take off while driving, say your going to the beach and decide to take it off and drive around and then all of a sudden decide to put it back on. you cant do that with the slingshade or most other types for that matter. its not a removable or soft top or anything like that. we have discussed it with a friend that is a lawyer and of course as he says, it is all left to interpretation and all depends on who you get at the time and how they interpret it themselves. but everything is left up to argument. lol get a good jailhouse lawyer......

    Quote from NNEVES57

    What I was told the meaning of a removable roof is one that you can take off while driving, say your going to the beach and decide to take it off and drive around and then all of a sudden decide to put it back on. you cant do that with the slingshade or most other types for that matter. its not a removable or soft top or anything like that. we have discussed it with a friend that is a lawyer and of course as he says, it is all left to interpretation and all depends on who you get at the time and how they interpret it themselves. but everything is left up to argument. lol get a good jailhouse lawyer......

    Just take a step back and ask yourself why there is a need for a helmet to start with then ask why a roof can be a helmet qualifier with regards to head protection.

    Note this verbiage:

    "Operators and passengers riding on motorcycles with wheels of eight inches or less in diameter or in three-wheeled motorcycles or autocycles that have nonremovable roofs, windshields, and enclosed bodies shall not be required to wear protective helmets. "


    Reading this verbage it's clear to me the intent of the law is to ensure the riders of the vehicle can be reasonable contained in the vehicle during an accident. (I know people can easily be thrown from a rolling car with seat belts are not used). The clue lies in the preceding sentence: motorcycles with small wheels i.e. slow max speed thus less likely to be flung?


    Also remember:

    There are 3 requirements: nonremovable roof, windshield and enclosed bodies before you are exempt from helmets. The question remains is a slingshot an enclosed body and does the partial plexiglass meet the definition of windshield for this law?


    Pretty sure when the autocycle laws first got on the books it was due to this bad boy (POS in my opinion):

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    "Elio Motors has been the subject of a great deal of criticism. Its affordable three-wheeled car, known simply as "the Elio," was scheduled to begin production in 2012, but still has not begun today, six years later. The company is desperately trying to raise money to remain open long enough to actually start building cars.

    But Elio has made one successful accomplishment: the creation of the "autocycle" vehicle category in many states. This category recognizes vehicles that have three wheels but are fully enclosed and operated like a car."

    https://www.thedrive.com/motor…equired-on-three-wheelers


    Also for this bmw note the small wheels hence no need (nor room) for a helmet.

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    Quote from NNEVES57

    Like you, I am not going to sweat it, if they try to fight it, I will pull out the law that I just posted here and have them try to prove the law wrong. lol. good luck out there.

    Hm... Based on that statement I would say you have seen one too episode of Boston Legal, real courts don't work like that.

    Is not that I am mean, I just don't sugarcoat what I say.

    well I have never seen that show lol. and yes very familiar with how courts work. 14 years law enforcement with the military and using black and white and mixing in interpretation, anyhow I am not here to argue nor say who is right nor wrong. just presented options and gave written documentation that is able to be viewed by everyone. If you wish to wear a helmet then that is great and I choose not too then I get to pay the pied piper so to speak I will deal with my consequences when they roll around. Personally I don't take my sling anywhere I get above 60 at any given time and even then that speed is only for a couple of minutes if that. When forced to put the helmet back on then I will do so. until then, I will ride without it.