Conservative Politics & Daily Events Discussion

Oh boy - - here we go - - democrats using Virus emergency to try to create their socialist utopia

Pelosi floats guaranteed minimum income for all Americans as part next virus aid package

Quote from Edward Neal

First I must say, I am sorry about the BigDog statement - that was not called for

Now though I must say I dont agree with your self assessment. You always say you are a moderate yet the stances you seem to take on issues are very middle of the road democrat - yes you are not socialist far left, but not even close to what I would call moderate - - perhaps its your youth and the fact that I have seen the entire Democrat party expand further and further on the left end over the years, But for me the center has never moved.

I guess when you are younger the idea of where the center of the political spectrum is might be viewed very differently than it would be viewed by someone 5, 10, 15 - 20 years older

Heck in my book JFK was a right smack in the center of the left as a Democrat - - yet if he were around today taking the exact same positions he took back in the 60's you would probably consider him to be solidly in the right - - these days JFK would probably easily get the Republican nomination were he to run for president - and the views you have expressed here are easily what I would classify as solid mainstream democrat views

I mean seriously - just because some consider people like AOC to be democrats that doesn't not make normal Democrats moderate.

On the other hand I do consider myself more of a moderate conservative than I did in the past as my views are much closer to those of JFK than they were in the past

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I don't know how more middle I can get. I split my votes pretty evenly whether it be for President, Senator, Congressmen, Governor... My record speaks for itself.

When it comes to issues, I agree with each side on a whole range of issues. I have gotten "likes" in this thread, by you on immigration, guns, economy and yes, even the rare time I compliment Trump.

I have "liked" many of yours and everyone else's comments on various topics. I don't expound on, or engage those topics because you all do a great job covering every single finite point when you guys go off.

I do however, comment when I think something that was said is blown out of proportion, false, speculation or partial fact. I also comment when I understand a person's point of view and feel like offering other options or scenarios.

And I know that had Hillary said in a rally in 2016, "If you live in one of these 16 states and cast an early ballot you can change your vote", I would have played her silly game too. I would have changed my Evan McMullin vote to Trump.

Quote from Edward Neal

Now get this - - Apparently because a media source says something is true we are supposed to just say "okay"

What democrats are now pushing at the new talking point:

“Biden believes that all women have the right to be heard and to have their claims thoroughly reviewed In this case, a thorough review by the New York Times has led to the truth: this incident did not happen.”

please forgive me - - - I did not know the New York Times investigated - - - - - - - WOW!!!!!

edit - - - not so fast - - New York Times says talking points not true - they did not exonerate Biden

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having a right to be heard....and then he denies it..

What are you going to do smell his finger?

Quote from Funinthesun

And you think that CNN (aka the CLINTON NEWS NETWORK) does report the news instead of creating the news?

MSM is all of the news media....not a network ....

Quote from Bill Martin

I’ve read articles where this gal is WAY worse than the current dictator - so much for a move in the right direction there. Maybe Trump will have to bend her over and put a smile on her face

I think she will be a ruthless dic-less-tator.

Quote from WOLF

The big, damning proof is a complaint under seal. Trump can and will eventually unseal it. Then the Dems and media will blast Trump for once again interfering and using his position to help win an election.

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Sorry sir but the President cannot "unseal" the record ..... Congress put in place (wrote it and voted in themselves, convenient huh) a system that protects them and how they settle complaints. Separation of powers prevents the President from even viewing private Congressional records without a court order and proving a need through an investigation. As far as Joe Bidens personal and professional records since he was VP they are locked away in the University of Delawares archive vault. Biden is the only person who can release anything archived until 2 years after he officially retires from public service or passes. Like the title of this thread says .....

Oh, and remind me to send you some heavy duty tinfoil .....

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Quote from Orangeman

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Sorry sir but the President cannot "unseal" the record ..... Congress put in place (wrote it and voted in themselves, convenient huh) a system that protects them and how they settle complaints. Separation of powers prevents the President from even viewing private Congressional records without a court order and proving a need through an investigation. As far as Joe Bidens personal and professional records since he was VP they are locked away in the University of Delawares archive vault. Biden is the only person who can release anything archived until 2 years after he officially retires from public service or passes. Like the title of this thread says .....

Oh, and remind me to send you some heavy duty tinfoil .....

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Damn it! I didn't know that and it takes away my conspiracies crescendo.

Since before Trump was elected he has refused to release his tax records, this is 100% within the law yet despite being totally legal many on the left, and if I remember correctly this would include you Wolf, have said is evidence that Trump is hiding things he knows are so bad they could at a minimum turn his supporters against him and might show criminal activity.

I have to wonder if all of these people feel the same way about Biden unsealing his senate records? - - if he continues to say no will they, will you Wolf assume this is a sign of his guilt????

Or, as I highly suspect will you all simply defend his right not to do so?????

Quote from Orangeman

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Sorry sir but the President cannot "unseal" the record ..... Congress put in place (wrote it and voted in themselves, convenient huh) a system that protects them and how they settle complaints. Separation of powers prevents the President from even viewing private Congressional records without a court order and proving a need through an investigation. As far as Joe Bidens personal and professional records since he was VP they are locked away in the University of Delawares archive vault. Biden is the only person who can release anything archived until 2 years after he officially retires from public service or passes. Like the title of this thread says .....

Oh, and remind me to send you some heavy duty tinfoil .....

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if such a person would be arrested and convicted would they be an excuse to unseal?

RELAX everyone....the fix is in joe is innocent...Hot off the press...

https://www.newsmax.com/politi…=acs&dkt_nbr=01050416mlxt

everything is a conspiracy.....

Quote from Edward Neal

Since before Trump was elected he has refused to release his tax records, this is 100% within the law yet despite being totally legal many on the left, and if I remember correctly this would include you Wolf, have said is evidence that Trump is hiding things he knows are so bad they could at a minimum turn his supporters against him and might show criminal activity.

I have to wonder if all of these people feel the same way about Biden unsealing his senate records? - - if he continues to say no will they, will you Wolf assume this is a sign of his guilt????

Or, as I highly suspect will you all simply defend his right not to do so?????

he could be hiding his income tax info from people he wants to have or has As business deal pending...knowing his finances could jeopardize the deal in their favor instead of his......I’m always thinking about his book...the art of the deal......you don’t show all your cards before you bet...and his companies are always looking for deals...

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he could be hiding his income tax info from people he wants to have or has As business deal pending...knowing his finances could jeopardize the deal in their favor instead of his......I’m always thinking about his book...the art of the deal......you don’t show all your cards before you bet...and his companies are always looking for deals...

He could just believe that a persons income is personal - My father always felt that way and I was never allowed to know what he made - - I have been the same what my wife and I make is our business and no one else's - not even or children.

Just to add to the chatter.....Wasn't it Gary Hart who once said to the reporters when asked about a extramarital affair he was accused of having.....If you think I'm having one why don't you reporters follow me around......Well they did and guess what the rest is history..........

Quote from Edward Neal

Since before Trump was elected he has refused to release his tax records, this is 100% within the law yet despite being totally legal many on the left, and if I remember correctly this would include you Wolf, have said is evidence that Trump is hiding things he knows are so bad they could at a minimum turn his supporters against him and might show criminal activity.

I have to wonder if all of these people feel the same way about Biden unsealing his senate records? - - if he continues to say no will they, will you Wolf assume this is a sign of his guilt????

Or, as I highly suspect will you all simply defend his right not to do so?????

You have learned nothing from our exchanges. If you go back years, through our archives, I am very consistent with my views regardless of party.

I haven't personally heard Biden say he won't unseal anything. Assuming he did verbally refuse, he would be very suspect to me. Innocent people don't hide things that can clear their name.

Trump's refusal to, even though at one point he did actually say he would, release his tax statements leaves him suspect to not being a billionaire. That is all. Since becoming President I'm sure he corrected that, "not a billionaire" thing.

All his other shady dealings were or are being investigated by those that have access to his tax returns already. His charity was forced to close because if such an investigation. Also, he is set to go to trial, then prison if he isn't re-elected over another financial issue. If re-elected the statute runs out before his second term would end. The President can't be indicted.

Edward Neal before you go off on a list of conflicting views. Let me clarify as I do constantly for you. Here is an example of one time you accused me of being biased. 16 accusers is more damning than 1. 6 accusers is more damning than 1. The party doesn't matter. That will always be my view. Get it?

Another helpful top for you, while reading my posts. This will help reveal to you how badly you project a false image onto me.

Read my posts very clearly. I often will point out where a Republican or FOX has done exactly what people in this thread complain Dems do.

Here is the important thing.

You reading?

Do you understand things up to now?

Good.

I don't ever deny, rebut or defend against the factual statements of left media and Democrat hypocrisy and bias. NEVER.

Go ahead and look.

Furthermore, PAY ATTENTION!

Quote from WOLF

You have learned nothing from our exchanges. If you go back years, through our archives, I am very consistent with my views regardless of party.

I haven't personally heard Biden say he won't unseal anything. Assuming he did verbally refuse, he would be very suspect to me. Innocent people don't hide things that can clear their name.

Trump's refusal to, even though at one point he did actually say he would, release his tax statements leaves him suspect to not being a billionaire. That is all. Since becoming President I'm sure he corrected that, "not a billionaire" thing.

All his other shady dealings were or are being investigated by those that have access to his tax returns already. His charity was forced to close because if such an investigation. Also, he is set to go to trial, then prison if he isn't re-elected over another financial issue. If re-elected the statute runs out before his second term would end. The President can't be indicted.

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there you go snarky anti Trump rhetoric and accusations - - - and then you try to say you havent said you hate trump - - The man has given away his Presidential pay thats a fact - yet without a single shred of evidence you assume he is corrupt

its called prejudice - - pre judging - - - - usually people who do this do it because subconsciously they know thats what they would do

Actually of all of the politicians I have seen the ones that most used the political system to become wealthy it would be the Obamas and the Clintons - - - - Trump had money before he was a politician perhaps a billionaire, perhaps less but no doubt he was very very rich - - - the Obamas and Clintions made 100% of their money by leveraging their political position - - without his political rise Obama would just be a professor and no one would give a cr@p about the dreams of his father or any other book he wrote