One thing to keep in mind this year is that many Republicans proclaimed during the impeachment trial that, "The people should decide through the election if Trump should be impeached". With that, if Mickey Mouse were the Democrat nominee, none of those Republicans can argue how stupid people are for voting for a fictional mouse. The people were simply fulfilling a Republican request and voting to impeach through the election.
Conservative Politics & Daily Events Discussion
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Watching our local news last night they showed a small segment on the Democrats primary debates and the only thing i got from it all was they are looking for someone to beat Trump not necessarily someone that will run the country better but just someone to win against trump. They seem to have lost touch with the betterment of the country and are focusing on hatred only. I was always led to believe that the person that sits atop an organization wether it be a company or the country should be focused on the betterment of the organization first and to leave personal feelings out of it. If the democrats would work towards fixing the issues at hand vs putting all of their efforts into beating Trump no matter how or who does it then maybe they would have a better chance of getting a good candidate. Just my $.02 from other side of the border
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Watching our local news last night they showed a small segment on the Democrats primary debates and the only thing i got from it all was they are looking for someone to beat Trump not necessarily someone that will run the country better but just someone to win against trump. They seem to have lost touch with the betterment of the country and are focusing on hatred only. I was always led to believe that the person that sits atop an organization wether it be a company or the country should be focused on the betterment of the organization first and to leave personal feelings out of it. If the democrats would work towards fixing the issues at hand vs putting all of their efforts into beating Trump no matter how or who does it then maybe they would have a better chance of getting a good candidate. Just my $.02 from other side of the border
True. Much like Trumps defense argued that he could seek foreign assistance in an election if he thinks him being President is for the betterment of the country. Many think Trump is a horrible representative for the country that is undermining all our institutions and electing anyone besides him is for the betterment of the country.
EDIT: When the constitution was written, it made no mention of jobs, health care or the stock market. There are more important things when considering the betterment of the country. The founding fathers would tell you as much.
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I will add that for me, voting for Bernie would be like cutting off your nose to spite your orange face.
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I will add that for me, voting for Bernie would be like cutting off your nose to spite your orange face.
For those who do not know, my screen name has nothing to do with President Trump and I have used it across many forums for as long as I have had the interwebs.
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I was looking at the vote tallies this morning and was wondering how many of those for all the Dems would vote for any Dem. If they are voting for who they like now, but will ultimately vote for whoever the Dems put forth than the Dem numbers win. However, I've heard Republican pundits encouraging republicans to vote for different democrat candidates to further mess up the Democrat field. So, with that in mind, there is no way to know what are the real numbers. Furthermore, this is the primaries and many people from both sides, especially Trumps side(sitting President) won't even bother to vote right now. That makes the numbers even less meaningful, because on both sides especially Trumps, the numbers are lower than they will be.
What is interesting is I have heard zero, zip, nada about a green party, libertarian party...candidate. Looks like the "powers that be" do not want anyone voting outside the two parties.
The parties in each state are in charge of how their primary is run and they produce their own ballots for the primary. In California the Republican primary is closed, only registered Republicans are allowed to vote in it, on the other hand the Democratic primary is some what open - if a person is registered as democrat or as "no preference" they are allowed to get a democrat primary ballot, but it is closed to people registered to any other party - - I just did a quick search and it seems New Hampshire is somewhat similar - if you are undeclared you can vote in the R or D primary, but if you are registered with a party you can only vote in that parties primary and get that parties ballot. So for Republicans to go out and have an affect on the Democrat primary in New Hampshire they would have to change their registration to "undeclared" and then request a democrat ballot - the down side to this is that it would not allow them to vote for any other republican candidates that might have been on the Republican primary ballot for local or state races as these people would not be on the Democrat primary ballot.
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We've wondered if republicans would vote for a democrat for president if they had a republican running mate (let's leave Jeff Flake out of this!)
I have to wonder if you could get democrat voters in this day and age to vote for a split ticket... wouldn't a republican running mate poison the ticket for a majority of the Anti-Trump democrats today?
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We've wondered if republicans would vote for a democrat for president if they had a republican running mate (let's leave Jeff Flake out of this!)
I have to wonder if you could get democrat voters in this day and age to vote for a split ticket... wouldn't a republican running mate poison the ticket for a majority of the Anti-Trump democrats today?
I agree - as nice as it would be to bring people together I think the thought that the "other party" would be next in line for the Presidency would severely hinder peoples willingness to vote for a ticket where the VP candidate were from the other party.
hell if Trump had a Democrat VP what do you think the nuts would be doing to try to remove Trump?
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I have to wonder if you could get democrat voters in this day and age to vote for a split ticket... wouldn't a republican running mate poison the ticket for a majority of the Anti-Trump democrats today?
I believe so, since a battle cry of the left is that conservatives are not just wrong, but evil. Hard to come back to the middle after taking such a stance.
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We've wondered if republicans would vote for a democrat for president if they had a republican running mate (let's leave Jeff Flake out of this!)
I have to wonder if you could get democrat voters in this day and age to vote for a split ticket... wouldn't a republican running mate poison the ticket for a majority of the Anti-Trump democrats today?
It shows a true willingness to, "work across the isle" as many claim they will do. I believe regardless of who is President in a mixed ticket, that will register with some voters from both sides and many in the center.
Much like everyone voting third party to buck the two party system, this intellectual exercise may always remain just that,
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I agree - as nice as it would be to bring people together I think the thought that the "other party" would be next in line for the Presidency would severely hinder peoples willingness to vote for a ticket where the VP candidate were from the other party.
hell if Trump had a Democrat VP what do you think the nuts would be doing to try to remove Trump?
However, Trump voters would still vote for him and "Never Trumper" republicans may feel less "Never Trumpy".
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I believe so, since a battle cry of the left is that conservatives are not just wrong, but evil. Hard to come back to the middle after taking such a stance.
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All it took to soften them on that position was a single vote on 1 of two articles of impeachment. Which helps prove my point that people respond well to those that are willing to cross the isle, if only for a moment.
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All it took to soften them on that position was a single vote on 1 of two articles of impeachment. Which helps prove my point that people respond well to those that are willing to cross the isle, if only for a moment.
Am I reading this correctly ....
Are you suggesting that the left is not just using Romney as a convenient cudgel and useful idiot but would actually consider voting for him (or someone like him) if included on a split ticket .....
Bless your heart .....
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Change my mind!
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As an interesting note about the primary system some States like North Dakota hold the Democrat primary and the Republican "primary" on completely different dates and this year the following states have completely canceled their Republican primaries and will allocate all of their delegates to Trump - Alaska, Arizona, Hawaii, Kansas, Nevada, South Carolina & Virginia
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TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP, The boys are marching.
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Change my mind!
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At minimum, since no head count was given, you would have 2 kids that don't find socialism attractive and one that loves it.
Not sure what any of you see as socialism. For me, expecting corporations and people of all incomes to pay nearly the same % in tax and feeling that those in need should be given a hand UP, is not socialism. It is fair and the right thing to do, respectively.
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At minimum, since no head count was given, you would have 2 kids that don't find socialism attractive and one that loves it.
Not sure what any of you see as socialism. For me, expecting corporations and people of all incomes to pay nearly the same % in tax and feeling that those in need should be given a hand UP, is not socialism. It is fair and the right thing to do, respectively.
so are you saying you are for a flat tax where all income is taxed at the same percentage for all people?
and should people who own a closely held corporation have to pay both that flat tax on their personal income and then an additional corporate tax? like it is now or would all of the income of the corporation and what they take personally only be taxed once?
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Not sure what any of you see as socialism. For me, expecting corporations and people of all incomes to pay nearly the same % in tax and feeling that those in need should be given a hand UP, is not socialism. It is fair and the right thing to do, respectively.
What you are describing and my definition of socialism don't match. I'm all for a flat or fair tax process (don't think it will ever happen because of the political power it would remove from our elected representatives, but that is a whole other discussion topic). I'm all for the providing for those that cannot provide for themselves or provide assistance to get those that can provide for themselves but need a bit of help to get there. I believe that most everyone would agree that we as a society have a duty to do these things based on the Judeo-Christian values our country has long held. I agree it is the fair and right thing to do. What I hear from many of the democrats goes well beyond these basic beliefs and exceeds what I feel is the "fair and right thing to do". My wife's aunt has CP and has been in a wheel chair most of her life. I have absolutely no problem knowing that part of my paycheck goes to providing a basic standard of living for her and those like her that are unable to take care of themselves because of illness, injury, etc. My wife worked for a while as in intervention specialist that provided additional one on one or small group teaching to mostly immigrant children that needed a little bit of extra help to get them caught up and I was very proud of the work that she did and had no problem that some of my tax money was used to provide that capability for those kids so they had a better chance of being successful in life. There are many other programs all across the country that I would venture to guess just about all of us would agree are good and are the "fair and right thing to do". My concerns come with people want to expand those programs beyond the people that really need it to those that just want it. I like free stuff as much as the next guy, but I know that on a national scale it isn't sustainable and will eventually fail. My favorite Bernie story was from the last election cycle. Chatting with a new waitress at a restaurant we eat at regularly we found out that she had moved to Alabama from Pennsylvania because "things were a mess up there" (her words). Bottom line is she couldn't afford to live there any longer because of the taxes she had to pay and couldn't find a job that paid enough to cover the cost of living. Imagine my surprise when the next words out of her mouth were that she planned to vote for Bernie because he was going to give us all free stuff and fix all her problems. She literally did not see the correlation and similarity between the policies that forced her to leave the state she had been in her whole life and what was being proposed on the national level. We gave her a good tip and wished her well because no use in even attempting to have that conversation. I'm pretty much a middle of the road independent that leans a bit right on fiscal policy and a bit left on social policy, but even I can't get behind anything that this current crop of democratic candidates are spouting as their vision for the country. What they seem to want goes well beyond what I feel are the fair and right things to do as part of just being a decent human being.
