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    World order: Some of our biggest Allies in chaos(yay? what?), Russia(dictatorship) making more unchecked land grabs, Saudi's (dictatorship) unpunished killing of an American, China (dictatorship) placing tit for tat tariffs on american goods, North Korea(dictatorship) producing nuclear missiles while keeping Trump at bay with lip service(no need to fire anymore tests, Kim said they had all they needed prior to agreeing to stop and his research facility imploded). Isis (Terrorists) alive and well in Afghanistan.


    Yep, I was way off in my prediction Bill Martin .

    Just give him time

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    He has 6 more years :00008172::00008172:

    I might not be right but I can sure sound like it

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    according to your chart, you still have the same 2 choices in the general. I guess you need to teach me master, I've been conned and too gullible to know the difference. I feel like I was raped,... maybe I can join the the me too movement. Please save me from all this madness=O

    Well Timmy, look at the numbers. Do you see them? Ok, now see all the numbers next to people that are not Trump and are not Hillary? Do you son? Good. Now add all those numbers up. What did you get? Did you get 28,834,552? Good job. Now look at the total for Hillary and the total for Trump. Is either one bigger than the total we got from adding the people that voted against them? No. Good job Billy. See more Americans wanted somebody other than Trump or Hillary.


    BTW, the original, "neither should have been up for consideration" was my opinion. If you look on TDS you will see way back in the beginning I said anyone but those two. I did have to rise to your challenge though. Hope you enjoyed.;)


    Also, Yes, I said many were conned. I also said many are straight ticket voters. If you truly feel you fell into the conned category I'm sorry and you should be more careful in the future.:*

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    Quote from WOLF

    Well Timmy, look at the numbers. Do you see them? Ok, now see all the numbers next to people that are not Trump and are not Hillary? Do you son? Good. Now add all those numbers up. What did you get? Did you get 28,834,552? Good job. Now look at the total for Hillary and the total for Trump. Is either one bigger than the total we got from adding the people that voted against them? No. Good job Billy. See more Americans wanted somebody other than Trump or Hillary.


    BTW, the original, "neither should have been up for consideration" was my opinion. If you look on TDS you will see way back in the beginning I said anyone but those two. I did have to rise to your challenge though. Hope you enjoyed.;)


    Also, Yes, I said many were conned. I also said many are straight ticket voters. If you truly feel you fell into the conned category I'm sorry and you should be more careful in the future.:*

    Oh - I see you are one of those that doesn’t believe that smaller states like the Dakotas should never have a voice in a national election. Using your school of thought let’s just do away with the electoral college and use popular vote. In rebuttal also - just because the vote was split doesn’t mean they didn’t want Hillary or Trump - they just supported other folks first and were left with the top picks - that’s just our election process. If you want New York and LA liberals to decide who runs the country. lemme know how that works for ya - I’ll be in


    I’ll send ya a postcard :00008172::00008172:

    I might not be right but I can sure sound like it

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    Oh - I see you are one of those that doesn’t believe that smaller states like the Dakotas should never have a voice in a national election. Using your school of thought let’s just do away with the electoral college and use popular vote. In rebuttal also - just because the vote was split doesn’t mean they didn’t want Hillary or Trump - they just supported other folks first and were left with the top picks - that’s just our election process. If you want New York and LA liberals to decide who runs the country. lemme know how that works for ya - I’ll be in


    I’ll send ya a postcard :00008172::00008172:

    Oh, I see, you are trying an old lawyer trick. Unfortunately for you Shatneyman asked, "yet it was the people's choice, was it not?". People, not electoral votes. People equals popular vote which as you pointed out the bigger number "supported other folks first".


    But to answer your question directly. Yes I think my vote should have the same weight as somebody in rural America. Why should thier vote carry more weight than mine, than yours? Why shouldn't it be one vote per person, period, with no electoral college. This is America, the land of equal opportunity, but not an equal vote.


    I am for fairness, not a party. I do however know that Republicans are losing more votes every year. So much so, that the electoral college is losing strength to help them, so they turn to gerrymandering and voter suppression. I understand that doing away with the electoral college would help the Dems at this moment in time.


    Maybe, just maybe, the Republicans should change their message on some topics to draw more voters(not "give away free shit", smart asses). The electoral college and cheating are only going to help for so long, while cheating will drive more people away from the Republican party. Most good folk don't like to associate with cheaters. (This is where somebody chimes in with, "the Dems have illegals and dead people voting for them. What proof has TRUMP'S task force turned up in two years? Crickets)

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    Well Timmy, look at the numbers. Do you see them? Ok, now see all the numbers next to people that are not Trump and are not Hillary? Do you son? Good. Now add all those numbers up. What did you get? Did you get 28,834,552? Good job. Now look at the total for Hillary and the total for Trump. Is either one bigger than the total we got from adding the people that voted against them? No. Good job Billy. See more Americans wanted somebody other than Trump or Hillary.


    BTW, the original, "neither should have been up for consideration" was my opinion. If you look on TDS you will see way back in the beginning I said anyone but those two. I did have to rise to your challenge though. Hope you enjoyed.;)


    Also, Yes, I said many were conned. I also said many are straight ticket voters. If you truly feel you fell into the conned category I'm sorry and you should be more careful in the future.:*

    Soooo, you're saying all the losers should be the winners and the top 2 people should lose,... thank you for clearing that up for me,.. as far as the dark side,... I know the force is strong over there but I'll take my chances fighting evil

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    Soooo, you're saying all the losers should be the winners and the top 2 people should lose,... thank you for clearing that up for me,.. as far as the dark side,... I know the force is strong over there but I'll take my chances fighting evil

    That's exactly what I'm not saying. Do you not know what you asked? Do you understand the English language? Come on Timmy. You can figure out what I am saying. You got this Billy, think really hard. I wasn't using Bill's lawyer twisting of words.(Just realized I was using the ubiquitous "Timmy, Billy" and Bill Martin could have thought I was talking to him:00008862:).


    You were on TDS, maybe more than me, so we are both kinda like...:00007572:



    BTW, I like your new paint color and look forward to seeing it together in the sun and hopefully in person.:)

    Our Governor here in Oregon has come out and stated publically that her primary purpose as Governor is to oppose everything that President Trump proposes, the state's and other needs come secondary. I thought that our political system was designed to take the best from all parties and find the best compromise, I guess I was taught my history wrong??


    Bill

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    Our Governor here in Oregon has come out and stated publically that her primary purpose as Governor is to oppose everything that President Trump proposes, the state's and other needs come secondary. I thought that our political system was designed to take the best from all parties and find the best compromise, I guess I was taught my history wrong??


    Bill

    I thought it was deplorable when Mitch McConnell said, "we will vote no on everything and make him a do nothing President", when speaking of Obama.


    I find it deplorable in your case also. There is no place in my America for people unwilling to work together.

    The idea of one vote per person sounds like the best choice when you look at it on the surface, but when you look at people in cities having different needs than people in the country it also seems reasonable to insure that the people in the country have their needs addressed. The Electoral College system was put in just for this reason. by their nature states whos population grow our food are going to have fewer people than the big cities full of bankers and tech centers - do we really want a system where the winner of all presidential elections could be determined by New York and California and no voice given to the people who grow our food?


    Also If I understand it correctly the Electoral College system was one of the assurances given to to some territories to entice them into joining the union and becoming states.


    In the end the idea of getting rid of the Electoral College system is not something that is probably ever going to happen - it is just to difficult to accomplish - - but having said this it can be changed - If I understand it correctly states are free to change how they allocate their Electoral College votes. Right now all but two states allocate their votes as winner take all - Nebraska and Main allocate theirs proportionally - If all States went to a proportional allocation this would probably make the votes more of a mirror of the popular vote - - how this would affect the results would be interesting to see - - right now California always has 100% of its votes go to the democrat if the Electoral College had been proportional a bunch of California's 55 votes would go republican - who knows how this might work out


    Anyway The system we have may not always have the winner be the one who gets the popular vote, but do we really want to change to a popular vote system that would be guaranteed to give a huge advantage to city dwellers over country dwellers?


    As a Californian who leans conservative I know what it is like not to have my vote count I havent had a presidential vote that mattered since Reagan - My vote just gets tossed in the trash because all 55 of our votes go to the winner - - - Oh well, it obviously doesnt bother me enough to make me move

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    Quote from wjfyfe

    No, I believe that it was quoted you correctly and the article I referenced is relevent?


    Bill

    I read the whole thing again, to see if I missed my McConnell quote. Nope, it is not in there.


    Trust me, I am trying to find it myself. I recall distinctly that it was a video, not written press of McConnell saying, "we will vote no on everything and make him a do nothing president".


    I have even second guessed the speaker, was it Boehner? I see McConnell clearly in my recollection, so I doubt it was Boehner. I will keep searching. I do know it was said and that your article is not covering it.

    As Edward Neal has so eloquently pointed out being a libertarian the smaller populated states must be protected and their voice heard. Just like the labor unions that were once powerhouses lost their grip due to graft and corruption. so the same I predict will happen to the Republicans and Democrats. WOLF can you say the Rep Party is worse than the Dems - I certainly couldn’t say that Reps are any less crooked than the Dems. They ALL feed us shit and call it ice cream. Do I wish I had a different President with the same policies - YES!! Are Pelosi, Schumer, and Waters, McConnel, Flake, and other criminals too long to list here the best the Dems & Reps have to offer? For 2020 goofy Joe Biden and socialist Bernie Sanders are leading the Dem pack. Here is the truly sad thing. We the people have elected these idiots over and over again - the definition of insanity - doing things the same way hoping for a different outcome. That is why Trump is where he is - people wanted something different. Maybe the Dems ought to find a more middle of the road candidate and if the Reps put up a candidate not as offensive as Trump where these reasonable people could move the country forward. WOLF - no matter how we got here - here we are. Again I wish Edward Neal idea of supporting Libertarians could gain traction and we could get behind that but it is a long shot - not enough money. We spent the last 2 years reversing Obama’s mess - if Dems get control they will spend their time reversing what Trump did. Who loses - us. The electoral college is fine - it is partisan politics that is crushing this country. If we could just return to sane, compromising people in power we might survive.

    I might not be right but I can sure sound like it

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    Bill I have and will always vote for who I think is the best person for the country. Usually the one that comes across as the most genuine and willing to compromise. I claim no party and support no party. Neither party as a whole is better than the other. Individual candidates make the difference to me. I voted for the same Republican Governor in the previous two elections in Michigan, even though I'm in a union. This last election I voted for the Democrat Governor and AG and Republican Senator.


    It does annoy me that the current republicans are passing legislation to strip some power from the Governor and AG positions, lessening the effect of my vote. I was also sad to see the better Senate choice(imo) lose.

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    First order of business, do away with the partisan primaries, no other party is going to have any chance at all until this is acomplished......................


    Bill

    I would add that all states should hold the primaries on the same day - We shouldn't have a system where some candidates have been forced to drop out before some states have even voted

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