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    • FunCycle wrote:

      edwardaneal wrote:

      As a secondary thought I suspect that if you were wearing the cool leather aviator hats in your OP most of the pandas will be perfectly happy and not give you any grief about a helmet - - unless perhaps they have pulled you over for something else. Fortunately I think that 99.9% of the cops out there have no desire to bother us over something they realize is silly
      With that being said I have not worn a helmet in 3 years in North Carolina, Georgia, Tenn. or Virginia. South Carolina has no helmet law but I almost always have a ball cap on so the law enforcement folks see only that there is something on my head.
      I think with most cops even here in California that would be good enough - Most police are good guys that have better things to do than handing out tickets for equipment violations
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    • Helmets absolutely required in CA. Big outcry about 20 years ago when the Harley & Hog type folks were forced to wear one. They generally responded with what my wife calls "the hard candy shell." Personally, so far, I've gotten away with a half-helmet and shades. I have to be careful -- our local sheriff lives five houses down!
    • dalancroft wrote:

      Helmets absolutely required in CA. Big outcry about 20 years ago when the Harley & Hog type folks were forced to wear one. They generally responded with what my wife calls "the hard candy shell." Personally, so far, I've gotten away with a half-helmet and shades. I have to be careful -- our local sheriff lives five houses down!
      1/2 helmet should be perfectly legal just so long as it is DOT approved. This is what I wear, when I got it they advertised it as being the smallest and lightest DOT helmet made.
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      edwardaneal wrote:

      SoCal wrote:

      And there lies the controversy, ambiguity and inconsistencies. I would argue strongly that the Slingshot is not a motorcycle.

      I would argue that it is much easier to fall out of the jeep with no doors than a slingshot. Getting the classification as a motorcycle to avoid the safety requirements is totally understandable. Blurring the lines between motorcycles and cars has created uncertainties and a lot of questions Hence this thread.

      Things will happen, people will challenge and hopefully someday soon we will get our own classification and Clarity.

      pricejh61 wrote:

      SoCal wrote:

      Just messin’ here - what about a Jeep- no doors, no roof, helmet needed?
      Jeeps are considered automobiles not motor cycles.

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      be careful what you wish for - there is currently legislation that has been sitting before congress for a long time now that would create a federal classification for autocycles - its called the "Autocycle Safety Act"

      here is a link to it - H.R. 2381 Text

      Go look at it - if passed it would require this new class of vehicles to have air bags and to meet impact safety requirements that the Slingshot is not now required to meet.

      “(4) meets the performance criteria relating to upper interior impact set forth in FMVSS 201 to the extent possible to reach the target points; and

      “(5) is equipped with a steering wheel air bag, anti-lock brakes, and electronic stability control.

      I believe that by classifying the Slingshot as a motorcycle Polaris got something special on the road that the government doesnt really like. The government knows it isnt really a motorcycle, its a three wheel sports car and they dont like that it isnt subject to all the safety laws that cars are subject to

      I firmly believe that any attempt by the federal government to make the slingshot anything other than a motorcycle will not be done to benefit us, it will be done to increase the regulations and tighten up the safety requirements

      Polaris got the Slingshot through a loophole - and in my opinion any attempt by the government to reclassify the slingshot will only be done because they want to close this loophole and end the manufacture and sale of what they see as unsafe cars

      seriously, how often does government actually change the laws to make things better? especially California government?


      Tennessee is in a similar position. The Legislature has called SSs to be autocyles and has exempted auto cycles which are “fully enclosed” from brain bags. Some cops apparently don’t agree and continue to enforce the helmet requirement. PITA...

      I don’t want to be THE one to challenge but, I am retired...


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    • SoCal wrote:

      Perhaps we are in the “ignorant” zone as well. And I mean that in a nice way. I doubt many police have taken the SS class. They see what looks like a car with a seat and a seatbelt and it ends there.
      Not so, I just talked to a local cop I know and he informed me the law on autocycle just changed...it now says any motorcycle that steers with two front wheels is an autocycle...he named some other little things that I don’t remember at this minute....now it could be because he knows me and where I live and has seen me driving around town that he knows that. I could have been the topic of a conversation with some other cops...and my ride is unique looking because he noticed mine had a roof....they could have looked up the law to see if I was following it....he also said he’s seen other ones around....
    • pricejh61 wrote:

      edwardaneal wrote:

      be careful what you wish for - there is currently legislation that has been sitting before congress for a long time now that would create a federal classification for autocycles - its called the "Autocycle Safety Act"
      here is a link to it - H.R. 2381 Text

      Go look at it - if passed it would require this new class of vehicles to have air bags and to meet impact safety requirements that the Slingshot is not now required to meet.

      “(4) meets the performance criteria relating to upper interior impact set forth in FMVSS 201 to the extent possible to reach the target points; and

      “(5) is equipped with a steering wheel air bag, anti-lock brakes, and electronic stability control.

      I believe that by classifying the Slingshot as a motorcycle Polaris got something special on the road that the government doesnt really like. The government knows it isnt really a motorcycle, its a three wheel sports car and they dont like that it isnt subject to all the safety laws that cars are subject to

      I firmly believe that any attempt by the federal government to make the slingshot anything other than a motorcycle will not be done to benefit us, it will be done to increase the regulations and tighten up the safety requirements

      Polaris got the Slingshot through a loophole - and in my opinion any attempt by the government to reclassify the slingshot will only be done because they want to close this loophole and end the manufacture and sale of what they see as unsafe cars

      seriously, how often does government actually change the laws to make things better? especially California government?


      We really need an "agree" icon instead of just "like" and "dislike", Where I do not really like what edwardaneal has written here, but I totally agree with it. I sincerely hope that when you anti-helmet folks finally louse up the good thing we have in the SlingShot being classified as a motorcycle simply because you refuse to compromise about wearing a helmet, that we with our older SlingShots get grandfathered in as is, not being required to "upgrade" or get banned altogether!
      Bill

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    • In PA the new law includes the can am and the Hindenburg as autocycles because thry steer with two front wheels. Meaning a Harley trike is still a motorcycle....so we don’t fit in.

      That said, if individual states are not going along with the Polaris definition of motorcycle....now what? We could be heading for a world of CRAP...they might not be able to be sold as motorcycles in certain states...meaning many more “things” might have to be added to them to come into legal compliance....if the feds make a new definition then we’re really screwed...
    • Bigdog wrote:

      In PA the new law includes the can am and the Hindenburg as autocycles because thry steer with two front wheels. Meaning a Harley trike is still a motorcycle....so we don’t fit in.

      That said, if individual states are not going along with the Polaris definition of motorcycle....now what? We could be heading for a world of CRAP...they might not be able to be sold as motorcycles in certain states...meaning many more “things” might have to be added to them to come into legal compliance....if the feds make a new definition then we’re really screwed...
      One thing I have noticed in all of these "autocycle" definitions is that they all start out by saying that an autocycle is a type of motorcycle - - -even the federal bill i linked above statrt as follows

      “(1) ‘autocycle’ means a motorcycle with 3 wheels in contact with the ground, front-wheel drive, a fully enclosed occupant compartment, and a steering wheel, which is subject to applicable Federal motor vehicle safety standards, as determined necessary by the Secretary of Transportation through regulation.”.

      and I just now noticed that this bill also has the term "fully enclosed" occupant compartment - - - - I have heard some suggest that this is being pushed by Elio in an attempt to limit their competition, but that is a different subject
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    • Don’t forget every time someone gets hurt or killed in an SS the family and the lawyers want a piece of Polaris. This doesn’t help......Then the feds get involved looking at the safety issues that lead up to and caused the accident or injury or death. Then the SS is scrutinized for lack of safety items that cars and trucks already have. Then they will require crash tests and added safety equipment.
    • Bigdog wrote:

      Don’t forget every time someone gets hurt or killed in an SS the family and the lawyers want a piece of Polaris. This doesn’t help......Then the feds get involved looking at the safety issues that lead up to and caused the accident or injury or death. Then the SS is scrutinized for lack of safety items that cars and trucks already have. Then they will require crash tests and added safety equipment.
      Not as long as the SlingShot remains a motorcycle......................

      Bill
    • wjfyfe wrote:

      Bigdog wrote:

      Don’t forget every time someone gets hurt or killed in an SS the family and the lawyers want a piece of Polaris. This doesn’t help......Then the feds get involved looking at the safety issues that lead up to and caused the accident or injury or death. Then the SS is scrutinized for lack of safety items that cars and trucks already have. Then they will require crash tests and added safety equipment.
      Not as long as the SlingShot remains a motorcycle......................
      Bill
      I agree - I think remaining classified as a motorcycle now and in the future is the only way the Slingshot survives. If they create a federal class for autocycles and force the slingshot into it that will be the end. either it will change so much that its not what we want and / or it will make the cost so high that it is priced out of existence

      On the bright side I feel comfortable that what we have will be grandfathered in - I dont think they would ever retroactively kill them
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    • wjfyfe wrote:

      Bigdog wrote:

      Don’t forget every time someone gets hurt or killed in an SS the family and the lawyers want a piece of Polaris. This doesn’t help......Then the feds get involved looking at the safety issues that lead up to and caused the accident or injury or death. Then the SS is scrutinized for lack of safety items that cars and trucks already have. Then they will require crash tests and added safety equipment.
      Not as long as the SlingShot remains a motorcycle......................
      Bill
      It’s already an autocycle in several states with slightly different rules.....it’s begun...the foot is in the door...states are designing their own description and designation and qualifications which is different than a motorcycle per say ....the fly is in the ointment...
    • I am not an expert, but I think there are big differences between a federal classification and a state classification. From what I can see the state classifications seem to only impact licensing and helmet type requirements, things like do you need a motorcycle endorsement or do you have to wear a helmet

      Federal classifications are much more significant in that they mandate the safety requirements that the vehicle must meet before it is even allowed on the road.

      This is why all of the state classifications of autocycle keep it as a type of motorcycle - motorcycle is its legal federal classification and I do not believe that the states have the power to change that.
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    • SoCal wrote:

      Pandora’s box..


      isnt it crazy how this happened to a post about some really cool leather hats?

      I will say I do really like the hats, but a bit pricey for something I would only use a few times a year
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